[Screwston]

Discuss. I never did any shit like this when I was a little kid.


A school bus aide in upstate New York who was mercilessly driven to tears by student bullies found an outpouring of support Wednesday after video of the cruel taunting was uploaded online.

The upsetting incident led Greece Central School District officials and local police to investigate the verbal harassment against Karen Klein, a grandmother of eight, who was riding on a school bus Monday with a group of children from Greece Athena Middle School.

Klein, 68, said she never planned to report the kids’ nasty behavior, but found herself in the spotlight after cell phone video of the abuse was uploaded to YouTube, according to reports.

“It was like ‘wow,’” Klein told the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle after watching the footage Wednesday. “I can’t believe it happened ... It was just plain mean. Nobody should have to put up with that.”

She was hoping her tormenters would just stop if she ignored them: “Trust me, they didn’t go away,” she said.

During the 10-minute video, which contains crude language, students are repeatedly heard mocking her and targeting her weight and age.

“You’re such a (expletive) troll,” one student is heard saying.

The kids accused her of wanting to rape children, asked her if she has an STD and continuously poked her and called her “poor.”

They also joked about throwing eggs at her house, urinating and defecating where she lives and stabbing her.

She appeared calm through the video, at times engaging with the children: “I’ll make sure I don’t get you guys again,” she said.

She also told them to “live with integrity.”

But most hurtful, Klein later said, was when the students called her “ugly” and joked that her family should kill themselves.

Klein, a widow, told ABC affiliate WHAM in Rochester that her oldest son committed suicide 10 years ago.

“It’s very hurtful,” Klein’s daughter, Michelle Hawkins, told the station. “It would be hurtful to anybody.”

Supporters for Klein quickly rallied around the 23-year school district veteran, raising more than $99,000 early Thursday in a campaign on Indiegogo.com.

“She doesn’t earn nearly enough ($15,506) to deal with some of the trash she is surrounded by. Lets give her something she will never forget, a vacation of a lifetime!” the campaign urges.

A Facebook support page called “Kindness for Karen” had more than 2,000 "likes" late Wednesday.

“I wanted to make sure that she doesn’t lose faith,” the page’s founder, Kendra Fee, told the Daily News.

“There are way more people who have her in their hearts and want to support her, and there’s a lot more kindness in the world,” said Fee, of Rochester, who doesn’t know Klein.

A school district spokeswoman said the children involved would face disciplinary action, although not until the school year begins again in September, the Democrat and Chronicle reported.

“Although their behavior was inexcusable, we also have concern for the safety of all involved,” district officials said in a statement. “We urge patience to allow us to investigate and determine the appropriate discipline.”

Meanwhile, Greece police spoke to the children involved, but none were charged Wednesday, according to reports.

“We really have to focus on fact, and we are very concerned about (their) safety,” Officer Steve Chatterton told YNN Rochester. “These are most likely 12, 13, 14-year-old kids.”

Klein told the Democrat and Chronicle that she’d like for her harassers to be “grounded all summer, or maybe all year,” but not to be criminally charged.

She also had another request — an apology.

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[Basil Ransom]

She's not an effective monitor if kids can curse with impunity, and bad mouth her to her face. We've all had teachers that couldn't control a classroom. And they were soft. What service is she providing anyway? This is the same sort of mentality that gets us fat female security guards. I fail to see how she's earning her $15k a year. If you're crying because you can't do your job, I'd call that a failure.

Kids can be vicious. If they feel weakness, they will bite. She hasn't shown any authority, so they're treating her like a peer, a really lame one at that. So they mock her. Plus, corporal punishment is not possible, and parents are so lame that they'll take their kids side in any dispute, regardless of what happened - provided there's no concrete evidence like this proving their kid is a brat.

What's the solution - record kids every day, so that some bigger badder bureaucrat can review the tapes enforce the rules that this woman is too soft to? Replace her with some hardcore half-crazy Marine vet or something. Besides, the grief that she's getting from these kids is no worse than what certain bullied kids get every single day, and they're far more blameless. They didn't sign up to patrol other kids in the first place. I feel bad for *them.* If I were in charge, I'd separate the well-behaved kids from the obnoxious ones, and have the obnoxious ones go to a stricter school with fewer privileges.

Only watched about a minute of the video.

As for her being fat, well she is. Think of the military for a moment - why do they put so much emphasis on 'superficial' things like erect posture, polished boots and spotless uniforms? Because they command respect, bit by bit. You can come off as a buffoon in the best of uniforms, and as a force to be reckoned with in rags. But looking the part definitely helps. This woman does not look the part. Aesthetically, she is pathetic. And the kids seize on that.

[assman]

Well, she is a fat ass.

basil makes some good points. But obviously there is little or no discipline at home. If I had done this as a kid, I would have been in a world of hurt from my father. Of course, nowadays, the kid who gets the kind of ass kicking I used to get can call the police or child protective services and have their father taken away.

[Screwston]

(06-21-2012 09:57 PM)assman Wrote:  

Well, she is a fat ass.

basil makes some good points. But obviously there is little or no discipline at home. If I had done this as a kid, I would have been in a world of hurt from my father. Of course, nowadays, the kid who gets the kind of ass kicking I used to get can call the police or child protective services and have their father taken away.

I heard some kid at the mall jokingly tell his dad that he would call CPS if he didn't get him some shoes or some dumb shit like that

[speakeasy]

I couldn't be put in a job like that, because I would have choked the life out of one of those kids. I don't have patience for shit like that.

[vinman]

I hate to sound like the "salty ol' timer", but in my day you could be engaged in a full blown melee and if an adult said to break it up, you stopped fighting. Why? Because if you stopped the adult would lecture you and threaten to tell your family. If you didn't and they had to separate you physically they dragged you home, and that's where the trouble started for you because you embarrassed the family acting like a savage. I remember I ran from the police in my neighborhood (Inglewood, on the south side of Chicago) because I was out past curfew. He caught up to me a couple of days later and asked me why I ran. I told him that if a cop brought me home I'd get my ass handed to me. His response was "I can still kick your ass". My response was, well maybe so, but you'd eventually stop because your shift ended. At home I'd have this hanging over my head forever. I wasn't a kid that was beaten, but as a youngster I got a few open handed slaps on the ass. As I got older the punishments changed to being locked up in the house doing chores, no t.v, no friends, no sports, and no girls for weeks at a time. Personally an ass whipping would've been preferable. There were consequences in my family for unacceptable behavior.

[Veloce]

Agree that kids are monsters if you let them be. I was a well behaved kid, but that's because my dad kept me in line. He never hit me, but he'd grab me by the scruff and get in my face if I was being a little shit. This is a pretty ripped Vietnam combat vet we're talking about.

I feel like there's too much Dr. Phil and punditry going on in pop culture relating to kids. My sister, brother in law, and two good friends are all teachers and the shit they tell me worries me for the future. Their stories of parent teacher conferences are just frightening. 20-something parents who can't tell their face from their asshole bringing little monster humans into the world...It makes me think of this article:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=beat

[Vice]

http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein

So is she really getting all of the $400,000?

[AntiTrace]

if some anti-bully groups wants to send 400k my way, put me on a bus with a dildo strapped my forehead and peanut butter smeared across my face and let those little bastards do their worst.

[kosko]

haha fuck that old lady Basil is 100% right she was not doing her job and the presence of some "monitor" will just make kids act worse. I was a child spawned from hell and would of done the same thing. Even when they started using cameras in the buses we still acted up.. why? because we realized they never reviewed the tapes. Only when shit got mad hectic did they do it and even then they couldn't do shit. It coaxed us even more to see how far we could push things before the camera actually led to anybody getting in trouble. It got as far as us lighting a fire on the bus before anything got hectic. Minus the camera we wouldn't of gone that far.

The response will exactly be "we need more surveillance.. more monitoring" ...

Which will lead to worse stuff going down.

The kids were dumb for recording it though. That is the big difference between my generation and now. We did shit for laughs and it would be a inside joke among the bus/group. Nerds didn't say nothing, brown noses got outed with the quickness and got humiliated at recess if they squealed. Everybody knew the code and just sat back and enjoyed being young and not giving a fuck.

What parents and Govt won't understand is that "bullying" can't be stopped with a stroke of more laws or policy. Just like obesity its a society issue that has to be addressed at large. Kids are tuning into cannibals whom are so self indulged they have no other way to function but to attack and eat at each other (versus the old way of being outward and exploring.. kids now are being inward and exploitative like adults). People will continue to run around in circles until their heads get chopped off. People need to look in the mirror and realize society.. our society is completely fucked up and its all our damn fault.

When I was a tyke we had outlets to vent our anger and energy. Like dogeball or every second Friday having apparatus wars where we would compete and climb those tall death traps in the gym with the rope and bars. These types of things have largely been banned from school due to petty the risk lawsuits and such. There was the odd bully or two but that was usually some strong fat kid with anger issues whom was an isolated case, not the norm. Shit will get to the point you have 6/7 year olds killing each other in school and posting it on FB.

Or some strait hunger games shit.

Forget marriage. I would never want to have a kid in North America, that's even worse in my view. Both are tragic but spawning a child in this current day and age is setting my seed up for failure. He will live a worse life and struggle more than me (stats show this). I cant have that.

[R Smoov]

.Old Lady that looks like the Golden Girls.
.Fat
.Engaging with American kids.
.Typical Old Lady Clothing
.Bitch hand is not existent
.Walmart quality bag

Verdict: Bitch was asking for it

[Kona]

Man that's somebody's grandma. That sucks.

Sure she's no good at her job, but at least she's trying. That old lady probably just likes being around little kids, and got in over her head.

That made me feel like shit watching that.

Aloha!

[soup]

This thread title makes me as mad as a fat chick thread.

[DjembaDjemba]

In the old days, a bus monitor could whop your ass, or worse, tell your parents.

Now nobody has the power to discipline kids, not the teachers (they have no disciplining power, if they dare try they can kiss the job goodbye), not the principal, and what of the parents? If they're not working 2 jobs each trying to make ends meet they'd still be powerless. Smacking or grounding your kid is basically tantamount to child abuse in 2012.

If you put the most hardened marine up there, he'd lose his job after his first attempt to enforce discipline.

This shit goes on in the classroom too. In Ontario here, teachers are no longer allowed to tell kids they failed lest it break their precious little spirits. Now teachers must use grading such as "needs improvement" or "deferred success". Wtf is that shit?

When these coddled little snowflakes leave the warm vaginal womb of the school system where they had the power to bully teachers, parents, and defer their success year after year, they break at the first challenge life throws at them.

They end up on H3@&ti$t3 bitching about how the system is fucking them and they're victims of every imagined injustice.

[Deluge]

All minors are narcissistic psychopaths.

[kosko]

^ This is true teachers used to woop my ass practically when I acted up. I remember my principal closing his door and chocking me and my friend the fuck out and basically saying this:

Me: "I am going to sue you"

Him: Nobody is going to believe shit you say. Go ahead and try it.

If homebody did that today he would be on Breaking News on CNN and HLN for 3 weeks with Dr. Drew tryna tell him he a psycopath.

He got mad we pawned off some of the schools newest DVD players (this is when they were first coming out). They weren't tagged yet so we jacked 4 of them and sold them to crack heads lol. He had no proof we did it but he knew we did it so that's why he blew up in rage. He couldn't get what he wanted (me expelled or suspended).

[el mechanico]

My 7th grade science teacher punched me in the face and threw me out of his class for the rest of the year for putting a quarter on a hot plate and leaving it on the kids desk who used to mooch lunch money everyday. The quarter burned into his had and he freaked and threw it then it burned the teachers hand. The dude picked up a desk over his head and tried to throw it at the class and fell backwards and landed on the teachers desk and the desk crashed the chalkboard. I didn't even tell the dean he punched me because I thought I deserved it a little

[WanderingSoul]

Doesn't matter if she is bad at her job and fat, those kids are pieces of shit. That isn't kids being kids. I would have NEVER done that. It isn't right to treat someone like that. If one of those were my kids he would face a beating of a lifetime. I don't even know what I would do. The kid would be fucked. Sure, the blame ultimately falls upon the parents for not teaching their kids how to act, but those kids are still little fucks.

[Screwston]

(06-22-2012 08:09 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

The dude picked up a desk over his head and tried to throw it at the class and fell backwards and landed on the teachers desk and the desk crashed the chalkboard

[_DC_]

I agree with Kona and Rio.

Sure, she sucks at her job but jesus, I refuse to watch the video. She's just a poor old lady doing her best. Poking at her, calling her fat and poor? What a bunch of douchebags. If I was on that bus I would put those kids in line real fucking quick (if they even acted up in the first place).

Good luck finding anybody else to do this for 15k a year.

[el mechanico]

(06-22-2012 12:06 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

I agree with Kona and Rio.

Sure, she sucks at her job but jesus, I refuse to watch the video. She's just a poor old lady doing her best. Poking at her, calling her fat and poor? What a bunch of douchebags. If I was on that bus I would put those kids in line real fucking quick (if they even acted up in the first place).

Good luck finding anybody else to do this for 15k a year.

It's probably out of necessity to supplement social security, I'm sure people will line up for that job. I'm also sure that these bus rides are going to be filmed in the future..

I couldn't watch the whole thing just thinking that if I were to be in one of those kids shoes and my father saw it what kind of beating would be put down on me. I'm sure those kids just lost their phones for a couple days or some lame punishment..
[attachment=6560] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^Indian Troll?

[R Smoov]

In all seriousness though, how come the school is waiting to discipline these kids though? Make them do community service or something.

And I dont really have that much sympathy for the lady (I laughed at the video) but for society in America alltogether. Why should she rack up 400k in money when the problem is just a bunch of youngbuls acting rowdy? And why is it that whenever something bad related to this stuff people always have to make a program or some cause for it?

I've gotten my ass whooped by a switch. Hell my late grandmother hit my stepdad with a brick. You think she needed a Gratitude 4 Grandma program?

One reason why the good ol "whoop your child's ass" era is ending is because of money. Theres always someone who sees that kid bullyng others and does nit think about chin-checking him. But more of how they can make a program that will help get them some dough. People only give a damn abut old head because caring sells.

I'm sure everyone can pick an adult frm ther childhod that would scrape skin of their faces.

[SVK]

Per this map:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Corpor...States.svg

Corporal punishment is allowed even in schools in roughly half of USA. Is it actually used? I went for 1 year to a parochial high school in Louisiana in mid 90s, and they indeed had it, which was very bizarre to me, at the time an exchange student from Europe. What about public schools, is it practiced?

BTW in comparison, in Europe the situation is very dire, corporal punishment outlawed in schools everywhere, and half of Europe outlawed even at home. That must really suck not being able to spank your kid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Corpor...Europe.svg

[Fathom]

"Shutup or the bunny gets it!"


In all seriousness, this is the result of America's goddamn child fetish. They grow up to think they're untouchable. Combine that with a culture glorifying every form of freakishness and it's no wonder they turn out disturbed sociopaths.

[assman]

(06-22-2012 03:20 PM)SVK Wrote:  

BTW in comparison, in Europe the situation is very dire, corporal punishment outlawed in schools everywhere, and half of Europe outlawed even at home. That must really suck not being able to spank your kid:

This is what happens when voters think there is a government solution to every problem.

I subscribe to my father's philosophy: your parents brought you into this world; they should have the right to take you back out of it (or close enough to it that it makes an impression). That would solve all these disciplinary issues.