[fvitterbi]

just read your 2nd message,

it's really a law of numbers here, Montreal and the Philipinnes are downright easy places, first of all,
girls are very positive in Montreal and upbeat, Guadalajara is much more serious this place is harder than the states and it has a Huge influence from L.A. , one of the hardest cities in the country,
where day game is king,

that girl sounds lame and downright scared not to mention disinterested,
some chicks here do this stupid view and run thing where they will actually have you meet them somewhere and they're somewhere closeby, they want to see what you look like and then they'll cut off their phone and leave, she's basically doing the same thing, limiting her exposure to you,

I think you will "date down" here like you do in L.A. if you're an 8 you will date 6's. but like L.A. you can date hotter chicks than you, it just takes a ton more work,

i've been treated like crap here from a lot of chicks that clearly weren't that good looking, i don't get it... but i've also banged a few chicks that were really fine, i'd put them in the top carousel of the chicks i've banged in all time...in the end there hasn't been any consistency to it
like there is in the U.S. or in other countries...if you keep going out, being social, talking with chicks, etc. things will fall in your lap with time,

and definitely don't use Onlline or Tinder to think about how your attraction is in reality, a ton of women online have boyfriends or live with their husbands, Online is a joke here, less than 1% of single women here are online while over 20% are online in the U.S...completely different attitude towards it here , think about online dating in let's say 2002 in the U.S., people were just starting to delve into it, some people completely bought in, but were looked down upon if anyone found out

[Jagnum]

First, much credit to [[fvitterbi]] and [[WestCoast]] for putting some really useful information together.

I want to give back, so here it goes with some additional info for the data sheet.

Street approaches

My two favorite spots: First, UDG in the early evening as students and girls working are heading home. Also in the early and mid-afternoon, you could try the parque expiatorio near UDG. Second, Chapu on the main street and on side streets from 5:30 to 9:30 pm.

Could also try Centro all times of day. I missed a bunch of opportunities, especially on my first day, to approach girls on the street here in the late afternoon because I was very anxious. There are cute girls who work in the many stores here.

Failed to approach in Centro on my first evening in the city, just wasn't able to, and again on cobblestone street where there are some taco shops near Escarbejo Scratch. Took taxi to Chapultapec and finally did two approaches, first with a three set to ask them about bars they like here, and the second was a girl walking by herself also on Chapu. Amazingly, the second girl was receptive to my direct opener and we talked on the street for a few minutes until I suggested we go for a drink. After the date, we kissed a bunch. I said, “why don’t we hang out at my place, just for an hour no more” to which she responded “at your place?” I could tell she was considering it, but was a little nervous. But I wasn’t able to convince her. Maybe I should have said "I'm going back to my place to unpack my bags. We can listen to some music. Only for a little bit, like twenty minutes though. It's a short walk from here. " Not sure that would have made a difference.

I go in direct with a compliment in street approaches. One of three things will happen:

They'll say "thank you" and then quickly turn away and kill the conversation. Or they'll ask you two questions tops like "de donde eres?" followed soon after by "tengo prisa" and scurry away. Or they'll ask you a couple questions and you'll have a conversation for five or ten minutes, which is your chance to go for an insta-date. If she hesitates on an insta-date, ask her again. If still no bite, get a number. But pin down a time and day in person. (Note: She'll probably flake on you but anyway easier to set up date in person than over text.)

Bars on Chapu

Wings Army, Insurgentes, York Pub, Santitos and Bananas were mentioned to me by a group of three cute girls I asked the first night I was in the city about popular bars they liked. I also liked Escutia on Chapu as well.

These are all sit down places where everyone is in social circles.

You can go in solo and tell the bouncer you're going to have a drink at the bar. Once inside, you can approach whoever you want.

Ttry to be friendly with guys or whoever is standing outside one of these places. When you tell these guys you are on your own, if they are cool, they'll invite you to hang out with them. A group to chat with may put you in a more social mood. And when you leave the guys to approach girls, the girls will probably ask you, "where are your friends?" and you can get some measure of social proof by responding "they are sitting at the table over there."

Bars just off Chapu

There's a rooftop bar called Pinta Negra we went on Friday night a pretty cool scene, a small, local spot.

El Rey, on Friday, more of an American-style bar where people are standing in groups. It gets very crowded, and talent here was generally lower, but there isn't the awkwardness of tables to contend with.

Next door to El Rey is El Chacal, kind of an outdoor nightclub, like a beer garden but everyone's standing and dancing. I went late on Saturday night and found most girls were here with their BF's or in really tough-to-break-into social circles.

What's good about this area is the taco and pizza stands right outside on the street. A lot of girls milling around here after midnight and much better chances to approach here compared to the taco stand outside Bar Americas. Also the pizza is amazing, they sell a meat pizza and a vegetarian pizza.

Centro

You might catch the occasional cute girl during rush hour in the late afternoon/evening. Or working in one of the many stores in this area.

Lola Lolitas

is a traditional nightclub and on Wednesday night it's ladies night and maybe if your game is strong, you can pre-game girls on the patio as they line up between ten and midnight. The main area of the club doesn't open to guys until after midnight, and I probably got there at 12:30.

I have ZERO nightclub game and never go to nightclubs in the states. But I went out of my comfort zone to try to make approaches and well...got blown out. There was one cute girl passed by me twice and gave me "the stare", so when I saw her again, I approached her. After chatting with her a bit on the patio, we went to dance and soon, we were making out. But I wasn't able to pull her that night.

Other travel information

Everyone here uses What's App. Because I was only there a short time, I ended up not needing to get my phone unlocked and buy a local SIM. I used WiFi spots at bars and in my hotel to manage communication.

I stayed in a private room in a nicer hostel for three nights (about $30/night), between Chapu and Centro. The final three nights, I switched to a small boutique hotel that cost almost twice as much (about $60/night) near Chapu. I don't think being right next to Chapu made a difference. But I like the idea of changing your living situation midway through the trip because it presents you with a new neighborhood and set of opportunities.

Girls

Long brown hair, large brown eyes, and red lipstick.

They are generally pretty cute. Friendly. Some can be conservative.

It’s great younger girls 18 - 21 can drink at the bars here because they seem slightly more open to a bang than girls 21 and older. I wish girls that age could go out in the U.S.

I'm going to share takeaways from my trip and game-specific advice I learned from my six-day trip in a separate thread. I'll post a link here when I'm finished.

[godzilla]

Ive been here for a litte while. Honestly, was trying to take a break from night game but not sure im going to have a choice.

With day and online game, too many conservative chicks here. This is just as hard as a US city, but your out comes will be WAY better as there are a lot of cute girls here..

A couple tips...

1. Live in Zapopan...all the fresa and online chicks are there. No one actually lives Chapu and the few chicks I banged didn't complain about taking a cab to my place, they just need to be back at there parents house by 230. Lots of fresas dont even hang in chapu. One date a girl told me, this is was her first time in chapu ?

2. There is app Rutas gdl...if you want to save money and take the bus. Drivers are nuts though and are paíd comission.

3. Be pre pared for tons of flaking.

4. Girls online here love to kill time chatting, if there unwilling to meet within a week next em.

5. Once you actually get the girl out on a date, you are golden. Tapitias only hang out if there actually extremely interested but you have no idea what your getting ..majority are conversative and just like the idea of dating people for a while hoping for something platonic...sexualizing conversation didn't make a difference for me.

Love to hear what others think

[Mojorisin808]

(08-05-2015 09:32 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

Ive been here for a litte while. Honestly, was trying to take a break from night game but not sure im going to have a choice.

With day and online game, too many conservative chicks here. This is just as hard as a US city, but your out comes will be WAY better as there are a lot of cute girls here..

A couple tips...

1. Live in Zapopan...all the fresa and online chicks are there. No one actually lives Chapu and the few chicks I banged didn't complain about taking a cab to my place, they just need to be back at there parents house by 230. Lots of fresas dont even hang in chapu. One date a girl told me, this is was her first time in chapu ?

2. There is app Rutas gdl...if you want to save money and take the bus. Drivers are nuts though and are paíd comission.

3. Be pre pared for tons of flaking.

4. Girls online here love to kill time chatting, if there unwilling to meet within a week next em.

5. Once you actually get the girl out on a date, you are golden. Tapitias only hang out if there actually extremely interested but you have no idea what your getting ..majority are conversative and just like the idea of dating people for a while hoping for something platonic...sexualizing conversation didn't make a difference for me.

Love to hear what others think

Yep Zapopan is the place to setup, also if you haven't already the university of Gdl is a fruitful place to daygame. Lots of cuties walking around.

[godzilla]

Yea Gdl is good so are malls.

On a postive note, there is actually a ton of shit to do here to keep you busy. Highly recommend the city on that level.

....I think i was caught off guard how bad the flaking really was....I went up north to aguas and zacatecas for a little and I experienced argentina level flaking.

Overall, cant complain though...with some work you can Def bang some hot girls here. I find a lot are crazy with me because they want commitment and you cant give it. Once you get them out on a date (the hard part), a lot of them are sweet girls.

Im latino btw so gringos might do better

[godzilla]

Just leaving a couple nightlife up dates.

Lola Lolitas - Still popping.

Lucrecia's, Mala Noche - Both have closed.

El Chacal- good spot, hat tip to jagnum

Figeroa Cantina - In terranova.This place seems to be popular these days. Typical sit down place but at least a ton are high chairs. Much better for approching.

There is a nightclub directly south of La Paloma Café in Chapultepec. No idea what is called but theres dancing and people stand ing up chilling which makes it better then anything else there.

A lot of bars in terranova seem to shut down all the time...Some re open. A lot of them are empty until like 11 so I imaginé there not making money. Make sure you check before head ing up there.

[Merenguero]

(08-19-2015 06:40 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

Just leaving a couple nightlife up dates.

Lola Lolitas - Still popping.

Lucrecia's, Mala Noche - Both have closed.

El Chacal- good spot, hat tip to jagnum

Figeroa Cantina - In terranova.This place seems to be popular these days. Typical sit down place but at least a ton are high chairs. Much better for approching.

There is a nightclub directly south of La Paloma Café in Chapultepec. No idea what is called but theres dancing and people stand ing up chilling which makes it better then anything else there.

A lot of bars in terranova seem to shut down all the time...Some re open. A lot of them are empty until like 11 so I imaginé there not making money. Make sure you check before head ing up there.

Is Callejon del Rumbero still around? That was the only bar or nightclub where I had any success there. What about Cocina 88?

Godzilla, is there any chance you can make it to Sea Isle next week? I'm thinking of heading home Tuesday night.

[godzilla]

Sup philly bro....Callejón is open but need to check it out. Cocina 88 rebranded or out right changed ownership. Its called la deferencia or something. Ill be out of the country til december/novembre. Down for a meetup when im back, ever go to polar bear plunge?

Espero que la playa de avalon esta bien para ti esto verano

[Merenguero]

(08-19-2015 08:40 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

Sup philly bro....Callejón is open but need to check it out. Cocina 88 rebranded or out right changed ownership. Its called la deferencia or something. Ill be out of the country til december/novembre. Down for a meetup when im back, ever go to polar bear plunge?

Espero que la playa de avalon esta bien para ti esto verano

I'm not at all surprised that Cocina 88 didn't make it. The place had great food at good prices and was a really nice place, but was almost always empty. When I was in Callejon, I was approached by a girl who I thought was miss certain Mexican state the year before. l'm really not sure if it was her, but she had the same name, which is a very unusual name, was from the same town, was the same age, and studied at the same university. After I did a side by side, I wasn't sure. Some Beta guy met her at Callejon that night and while she was with him, she gave the waiter her number to give to me. When I called her, she told me some story about having some kind of emergency in her hometown and having to leave Jalisco right away. Who knows? No, I've never done that polar bear stuff. Not my thing.

[godzilla]

Haha one of those missed opportunity. Ill have to check out the quality but today is wednesday.

Not into the plunge either but usually nightlife is good that weekend.

As a reminder, this place is tough, worst ive done outside the usa. After 3 in like 2 weeks. Currently on a 20 day goose egg for new girls.

[Merenguero]

(08-19-2015 09:00 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

Haha one of those missed opportunity. Ill have to check out the quality but today is wednesday.

Not into the plunge either but usually nightlife is good that weekend.

As a reminder, this place is tough, worst ive done outside the usa. After 3 in like 2 weeks. Currently on a 20 day goose egg for new girls.

I don't get the Mexico easiness stories that guys like to throw around here. The only place where I have struggled more is Argentina and when you factor in the foreigners in Buenos Aires, Argentina isn't any more difficult.

When you say there is good nightlife on polar bear weekend are you talking about the Princeton and Rock N Chair or the Sea Isle venues?

[godzilla]

Sea Isla Venues (Havent been in 5 years though).

In comparison to Argentina, Im with you. Actually, americans get more attention in argie, though harder to actually set up a date.

Those reports people throw around surprise me too. My game is certainly not at a high level as many but im usually better. Love to hear the secret, Mexican girls expect tons of time before putting out. Very resistant to even coming over your place...at least they know what it means here.

[Merenguero]

(08-19-2015 09:35 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

Sea Isla Venues (Havent been in 5 years though).

In comparison to Argentina, Im with you. Actually, americans get more attention in argie, though harder to actually set up a date.

Those reports people throw around surprise me too. My game is certainly not at a high level as many but im usually better. Love to hear the secret, Mexican girls expect tons of time before putting out. Very resistant to even coming over your place...at least they know what it means here.

One of the guys on here who was saying how easy Mexico is was that Chick Magnet guy who was a obvious troll from day one and who was finally banned. He has also used the handle SpecialEd and probably quite a few more. The last Mexico trip I made, I had one SNL, but the girl was a real butterface. One another night, I was able to get a quality girl to leave with me, got a weak make out from her, but couldn't get her to come to the apartment. That was it in a week. I also had a lot of personal and family stuff to deal with, so I think I could have done better.

[godzilla]

Sounds about right to me. The weak makeout is popular here haha. I could maybe do better with better spanish but actually my results get worse as my spanish gets better.

Haha one time had a girl give me a handjob to avoid sex ...though it was the best handjob I ever had. It be great if I had been 15.

[Bones707]

Reading the convo with Godzilla, I'll tell you as a Chicano whose parents come from Jalisco. The truth of the manner is that the more desirable girls in Jalisco are traditional as fuck (read, don't put out easily; good for the man who wants marriage, bad for the average RVFer who wants to slay pussy like mad). The only chicks I know who put out easily are usually damaged as fuck (just like USA). I would only recommend Jalisco if you were around 29, spoke descent spanish, and you were relationship orientated. I have met lots of cute girls there who would be good wives but not too many for your average RVFer who wants to slay notch counts. I would think Colombia, Brazil, and the Philippines are best for that.

[Merenguero]

(08-19-2015 10:11 PM)Bones707 Wrote:  

Reading the convo with Godzilla, I'll tell you as a Chicano whose parents come from Jalisco. The truth of the manner is that the more desirable girls in Jalisco are traditional as fuck (read, don't put out easily; good for the man who wants marriage, bad for the average RVFer who wants to slay pussy like mad). The only chicks I know who put out easily are usually damaged as fuck (just like USA). I would only recommend Jalisco if you were around 29, spoke descent spanish, and you were relationship orientated. I have met lots of cute girls there who would be good wives but not too many for your average RVFer who wants to slay notch counts. I would think Colombia, Brazil, and the Philippines are best for that.

I think I know the answer to this, but would you say thst Sinaloa is less traditional in a good way than Jalisco?

[Bones707]

@Merenguero

I haven't trolled Sinaloa to say anything accurate (I think Midwest has). From what I know, Sinaloa is still very conservative and the place in Mexico that's very liberal is Mexico City (too many ugly girls from Southern Mexico there and the fresas are super conceited).

I can truly say Zacatecas is a hidden gem for the adventurer who wants to find a cute girl who's is very traditional (get married) and said adventurer speaks descent Spanish. I have met so many cute traditional girls in Zacatecas. It's too bad my tastes lie with Slavic, mulattas, and Germanic girls.

[godzilla]

Bones, you said it better then I could ever have. Honestly, being this patient is difficult, when you come from the usa. It is def an adjustment here, if your here longer term. And your right about the damaged, 2 out 3 were hot but mentally messed up.

Id say the average chick has banged less then 5 dudes, no doubt, two girls were nervios as fuck just with kissing; not joking shaking (and they were over 25)

Head ing to PV soon, if anyone is on vacation

[Merenguero]

(08-19-2015 10:20 PM)Bones707 Wrote:  

@Merenguero

I haven't trolled Sinaloa to say anything accurate (I think Midwest has). From what I know, Sinaloa is still very conservative and the place in Mexico that's very liberal is Mexico City (too many ugly girls from Southern Mexico there and the fresas are super conceited).

I can truly say Zacatecas is a hidden gem for the adventurer who wants to find a cute girl who's is very traditional (get married) and said adventurer speaks descent Spanish. I have met so many cute traditional girls in Zacatecas. It's too bad my tastes lie with Slavic, mulattas, and Germanic girls.

A lot of people, including Mexican girls I have banged, have told me that a lot if my struggles there are due to dealing too much with tapatias and high-end chilangas. I actually think there is a lot of truth to that.

[godzilla]

Zacatecas (and aguascalientes) seems to have good quality. Some other dude recommended Calvillo on another thread, I can vouch for the quality there at least.

Ive been to 3 "pueblo mágicos" quality is all been good...need a thread hahah

[MidWest]

I think I need to explain a little what I mean when I say that Mexico is easy for me. For the sake of members here so they won't get the wrong message and misinterpret what I mean. I think people confuse the dating part vs. the actual fucking part (Chick Magnet saying somewhere along the lines of how being a gringo with large muscles will get you automatic pussy and aggressive girls or something like that).

When I mean easy, I'm talking about actually talking to them and setting up dates. That's the easy part, although I do get blown out a lot by girls especially the fresa types, but when you're successful and your game is tight, setting up dates with them is not hard. That's what I mean by "easy." One night stands and fucking them on the first date is another story. It can take 2 maybe 3 dates before you can get some action especially in the more conservative parts, but she'll still be there. Many of the girls in GDL want serious relationships and its not hard to get yourself in one with a mexicana, but for us rvf members who aren't generally about that and are looking for one night stands, then yes that is not going to be easy.

To sum it up, its very easy getting into relationships, but it isn't easy for one night stands.

Another reason why I feel its "easy" for me is because I'm Mexican myself. I know the women and how they are, how they act, their reactions and have been gaming in Mexico for years now and been with many Mexican women. So by default for me its "easier" because I'm just so used to it.

Another thing that is causing controversy I think is that some guys are gaming different types of classes of women. High end fresas and rich Mexicanas are going to be considerably harder than barrio low class girls or middle class girls. It seems that some guys have been hitting up the barrio while others have gone to high-end places thus the different results.

[Merenguero]

(08-19-2015 10:44 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

I think I need to explain a little what I mean when I say that Mexico is easy for me. For the sake of members here so they won't get the wrong message and misinterpret what I mean. I think people confuse the dating part vs. the actual fucking part (Chick Magnet saying somewhere along the lines of how being a gringo with large muscles will get you automatic pussy and aggressive girls or something like that).

When I mean easy, I'm talking about actually talking to them and setting up dates. That's the easy part, although I do get blown out a lot by girls especially the fresa types, but when you're successful and your game is tight, setting up dates with them is not hard. That's what I mean by "easy." One night stands and fucking them on the first date is another story. It can take 2 maybe 3 dates before you can get some action especially in the more conservative parts, but she'll still be there. Many of the girls in GDL want serious relationships and its not hard to get yourself in one with a mexicana, but for us rvf members who aren't generally about that and are looking for one night stands, then yes that is not going to be easy.

To sum it up, its very easy getting into relationships, but it isn't easy for one night stands.

Another reason why I feel its "easy" for me is because I'm Mexican myself. I know the women and how they are, how they act, their reactions and have been gaming in Mexico for years now and been with many Mexican women. So by default for me its "easier" because I'm just so used to it.

Another thing that is causing controversy I think is that some guys are gaming different types of classes of women. High end fresas and rich Mexicanas are going to be considerably harder than barrio low class girls or middle class girls. It seems that some guys have been hitting up the barrio while others have gone to high-end places thus the different results.

Good post, but I wouldn't give too much weight to anything that Chick Magnet guy wrote. The guy was off it and not just on the topic of Mexican girls.

[Bones707]

Agreed with Midwest. For me, gaming in Mexico is far easier than California because I know the culture, I don't have to deal with self hating other minorities (Asians), and lots of girls there want serious relationships. As I said before, the most successful men in Mexico with women knew descent Spanish and understood the culture. You know these two things, you have a good standing.

Guys like chickmagnet should hit up the Philippines only; that's the only place I see them scoring.

[Bones707]

@Godzilla

California for me is more difficult than Mexico. Mexico is what has kept me sane. Thank god I'm leaving California in March forever.

[godzilla]

Didn't mean to question you guys. Actually, respect for gaming down here. Even though social game is #1. (Sometimes youll see a group of smoking ass chicks just waiting for one dude they know at the club to come approch and blowing off everyone else) .....It seems like any dude that branched out the social circle has some game here.

The girls here are really sweet. I could see how this keeps you sane. Having to clown game chicks in the usa is very unnatural I think. Im happy to be in a normal dating environment down here.