Ok, I have to say that, while I wasn't a fan of the original theme of this thread, the direction it has taken frightens me.
First of all, why are men self-flagellating and blaming themselves in here? Why are suddenly we to blame for what is wrong with women? Yes, female nature is bad and it was a mistake to allow it to run wild. But it is not unreasonable to ask women to control their basest urges, just like billions of men control their basest urges day by day. The civilization is built on them controlling those urges. It is not men's fault that women have turned out to be extremely undisciplined and preferring precisely those few men whom they claim that they don't want.
Do many men live by this cred? Yes, many do. I'm not saying all men are great or angels or anything, just that a reasonable majority keeps their urges under control. But do many women live by this cred? Hell no.
Second, the problem is not fixable by men. Men can only adapt to the situation, i.e. learn game, but only women can fix it, because it is them who are biologically valuable, e.g. get to set the rules about whom they sleep with (this was the case even before 20th century, only at that time women did not have financial and other security without a man and thus they preferred dependable men).
Several years ago, I was a really nice guy, one of those Betas that women always claim that they want. I was used, betrayed and massacred over and over, and with not a shred of remorse that went my way. Am I supposed to fix this? Fuck no. I didn't cause it, the women did. They have minds, they could have chosen otherwise. I wish that they did, but they didn't. Suddenly blaming problems on "pussy obsession" is just blaming the victim. There is no "pussy obsession". Either you don't have game and live and die a frustrated virgin/cuckold, or you learn game and use it, ergo pursue women. Pursuing women is a natural purpose of life for men. It is not men's fault that the only way to fulfill that purpose has become through game (or emigration to countries where women have not yet been corrupted). That is NOT obsession. If females have their egos inflated, as Roosh wrote in his post, it is because of them becoming way pickier and scarcer (when you discount morbidly obese whales) and thus being hit on by even more men, out of whom they choose the biggest players yet again. This is not something that men can fix with any kind of withdrawal, because they did not cause the problem in the first place.
Third, it is not a reasonable argument to say that humans are not naturally monogamous. Of course they're not naturally monogamous! The civilization, however, is built on monogamy. The current Alpha-harem-Beta-wasteland mentality that women have created will inevitably lead to either the destruction of this civilization as more and more men react to the circumstances by withdrawing from the market entirely or learning game and enjoying the pussy paradise, or its absorption into a civilization whose women have not been liberated (or they were but turned out at least a bit reasonable - one could make a reasonable case about this for some Scandinavian countries).
I appreciate the interesting thoughts about bros over hoes, fidelity and friendship in relationships and LTRs. But the rest of the discussion here is seriously worrying, and something that I've never thought that I'd encounter in this forum.
First of all, why are men self-flagellating and blaming themselves in here? Why are suddenly we to blame for what is wrong with women? Yes, female nature is bad and it was a mistake to allow it to run wild. But it is not unreasonable to ask women to control their basest urges, just like billions of men control their basest urges day by day. The civilization is built on them controlling those urges. It is not men's fault that women have turned out to be extremely undisciplined and preferring precisely those few men whom they claim that they don't want.
Quote:Jack LaLanne Wrote:
Then—thoughtlessly, perhaps, and only because I do it myself—I asked Jack LaLanne if he ever snacks before bedtime.
"Never!" he snarled. "You don't get it. I am one runaway son of a bitch! I am an animal! I want to eat everything! I want to get drunk every single night! I want to screw every woman there is! We are all wild animals. But we must learn to use our minds. We must learn to control the bestial and sensual sides of ourselves!"
Do many men live by this cred? Yes, many do. I'm not saying all men are great or angels or anything, just that a reasonable majority keeps their urges under control. But do many women live by this cred? Hell no.
Second, the problem is not fixable by men. Men can only adapt to the situation, i.e. learn game, but only women can fix it, because it is them who are biologically valuable, e.g. get to set the rules about whom they sleep with (this was the case even before 20th century, only at that time women did not have financial and other security without a man and thus they preferred dependable men).
Several years ago, I was a really nice guy, one of those Betas that women always claim that they want. I was used, betrayed and massacred over and over, and with not a shred of remorse that went my way. Am I supposed to fix this? Fuck no. I didn't cause it, the women did. They have minds, they could have chosen otherwise. I wish that they did, but they didn't. Suddenly blaming problems on "pussy obsession" is just blaming the victim. There is no "pussy obsession". Either you don't have game and live and die a frustrated virgin/cuckold, or you learn game and use it, ergo pursue women. Pursuing women is a natural purpose of life for men. It is not men's fault that the only way to fulfill that purpose has become through game (or emigration to countries where women have not yet been corrupted). That is NOT obsession. If females have their egos inflated, as Roosh wrote in his post, it is because of them becoming way pickier and scarcer (when you discount morbidly obese whales) and thus being hit on by even more men, out of whom they choose the biggest players yet again. This is not something that men can fix with any kind of withdrawal, because they did not cause the problem in the first place.
Third, it is not a reasonable argument to say that humans are not naturally monogamous. Of course they're not naturally monogamous! The civilization, however, is built on monogamy. The current Alpha-harem-Beta-wasteland mentality that women have created will inevitably lead to either the destruction of this civilization as more and more men react to the circumstances by withdrawing from the market entirely or learning game and enjoying the pussy paradise, or its absorption into a civilization whose women have not been liberated (or they were but turned out at least a bit reasonable - one could make a reasonable case about this for some Scandinavian countries).
I appreciate the interesting thoughts about bros over hoes, fidelity and friendship in relationships and LTRs. But the rest of the discussion here is seriously worrying, and something that I've never thought that I'd encounter in this forum.
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