rooshvforum.network is a fully functional forum: you can search, register, post new threads etc...
Old accounts are inaccessible: register a new one, or recover it when possible. x


Nonpareil's China Adventures
#76

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Quote: (07-01-2012 07:14 AM)Tony Snow25 Wrote:  

I'm currently in Taipei, Taiwan teaching English and its been going well. I have question for Nonpareil or any others that have experience teaching English in China? How much do most teachers with some experience save? Recently I have gotten more hours and I should start being able to save around US$1,000 a month and that is with going out a couple nights a week.

u've been out there almost a year i believe...if so on the mainland u wouldn't be saving that much.

most save $200 to $500. i've been gone for years so we'll see what nonp or others have to say.

obviously depends on hours worked, pay rate, lifestyle. But most save a few hundred, hard workers with lots of hours and cutting out the middle man a thousand or more is possible.
Reply
#77

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Here is some nice contrarian data for you, since I have not contributed much to my thread in a while (having had to live a full month on a half-month's salary, with a trip to Hong Kong in there - especially with the trip to Hong Kong - is next to impossible, totally depleted my savings). This move will pay dividends and goes to show the universal power of grease.

Background is this; Tipping is not only not a city in China; it's not a thing in China and is discouraged (though it's picking up steam in top-end markets like Shanghai and Hong Kong), but if you've read the G Manifesto's classic piece, you know that tipping and grease are two different entities.

The Xuéxiào Grease Move:

Xuéxiào means school, try to keep up.

Anyways, if you take a job at a primary or a private school, you may have noticed that at the front gate, there are guards. These guys are basically responsible for keeping an eye for who comes and goes, letting cars in and keeping an eye on the kids. These guys will not like you on the initial; A friend who is now back in the USA told me that he was allegedly dimed out by one of them to his girl when he was bringing other girls back (it could have been that, sure, but me? I think he made the mistake of not keeping his mouth shut about it); the fact is there is a lot of suspicion of the foreigners and interest in keeping them in line in primary/private schools.

Their booths aren't AC (it's been 34-38 for going on two weeks here, today at 31 is the 'coolest' day we've had in a while) and they get paid comparatively little (1500-2500 RMB a month...I make about 9).

I will now tell you how to get these guys on your team (or at least get them to turn a blind eye to your antics).

What you do is this; on a hot day, go to a bodega (they aren't called bodegas, but they're hole-in-the-wall convenience stores and they are everywhere) with like 200 RMB. Grab some cold drinks; Gatorade, vitamin water, iced T, some pop, and hell, if you do this in the evening, you can even slip a few beers in there if you want (imported like Heineken or Budweiser, these guys drink Tsingtao, Snow and Harbin every day, make it different). This will cost you less than 30 kwei.

Next, since 80% of Chinese men (and a disproportionately small percentage of the women) smoke, grab a few packs of smokes for the boys. Don't get the shitty 10 kwei Liquns that taste like hay and wreck your throat, drop 40 or more per pack on something higher-end like Chunghwas; any higher-end (35k +) is sufficient, I just say Chunghwa because it's what I know, but it doesn't matter; there is no brand loyalty in China. This whole setup will cost you like 120-150 RMB; a hit you can afford to eat once or twice a month when you're making 7000-15000.

Walk by, say 'Ni hao! Wo shi (your name), zhèxiē dōu shì wèi nǐ' and give them the goods. At first they will be confused; when I did this last week they had no idea what was going on, but since?

These guys love me now; they wave, they smile, they smoke with me and give me smokes. I can sneak in or out whenever I want, and my freedom is something I value.

The Xuéxiào Grease Move; keep it in the back pocket if you come here to teach.
Reply
#78

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Sichuan girls are the hottest? What do you think about Guangdong or Taiwanese girls? What about northern girls?
Reply
#79

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Quote: (07-24-2012 09:42 AM)keepreal Wrote:  

Sichuan girls are the hottest? What do you think about Guangdong or Taiwanese girls? What about northern girls?

I have met many pretty girls from Sichuan, not many from Guangdong and probably none from Taiwan, but I do like Northern Chinese girls; lighter, taller and with a bit more swerve (I assume we're all familiar with Bergmann's Rule, which states that in widely distributed animal species [like Humans], individuals from northern climates tend to be larger in size because a slower metabolism is needed to conserve heat and add body mass to keep the body warm). Northern girls are pretty nice.

Going off what I've seen, Sichuan, Jiangsu, Hubei, Heiliongjiang, Hebei and Shandong province girls seem pretty fly, in about that order, though there are nice girls everywhere.

But the hottest girls in China? The aren't even from China, they're from Hong Kong; take your average Chinese girl, give her an ass, clear skin and nice teeth, and you just made a Hong Kong girl.
Reply
#80

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Here is a move that is easier and ten times better.

1)Don't take a job where you live on campus.

2)Get an apartment.

FYI it's kuai not kwei, try to keep up.
Reply
#81

Nonpareil's China Adventures

[quote='Nonpareil' pid='241551' dateline='1343135267']
Here is some nice contrarian data for you, since I have not contributed much to my thread in a while (having had to live a full month on a half-month's salary, with a trip to Hong Kong in there - especially with the trip to Hong Kong - is next to impossible, totally depleted my savings). This move will pay dividends and goes to show the universal power of grease.

Background is this; Tipping is not only not a city in China; it's not a thing in China and is discouraged (though it's picking up steam in top-end markets like Shanghai and Hong Kong), but if you've read the G Manifesto's classic piece, you know that tipping and grease are two different entities.

The Xuéxiào Grease Move:

Xuéxiào means school, try to keep up.

Anyways, if you take a job at a primary or a private school, you may have noticed that at the front gate, there are guards. These guys are basically responsible for keeping an eye for who comes and goes, letting cars in and keeping an eye on the kids. These guys will not like you on the initial; A friend who is now back in the USA told me that he was allegedly dimed out by one of them to his girl when he was bringing other girls back (it could have been that, sure, but me? I think he made the mistake of not keeping his mouth shut about it); the fact is there is a lot of suspicion of the foreigners and interest in keeping them in line in primary/private schools.

Their booths aren't AC (it's been 34-38 for going on two weeks here, today at 31 is the 'coolest' day we've had in a while) and they get paid comparatively little (1500-2500 RMB a month...I make about 9).

I will now tell you how to get these guys on your team (or at least get them to turn a blind eye to your antics).

What you do is this; on a hot day, go to a bodega (they aren't called bodegas, but they're hole-in-the-wall convenience stores and they are everywhere) with like 200 RMB. Grab some cold drinks; Gatorade, vitamin water, iced T, some pop, and hell, if you do this in the evening, you can even slip a few beers in there if you want (imported like Heineken or Budweiser, these guys drink Tsingtao, Snow and Harbin every day, make it different). This will cost you less than 30 kwei.

Next, since 80% of Chinese men (and a disproportionately small percentage of the women) smoke, grab a few packs of smokes for the boys. Don't get the shitty 10 kwei Liquns that taste like hay and wreck your throat, drop 40 or more per pack on something higher-end like Chunghwas; any higher-end (35k +) is sufficient, I just say Chunghwa because it's what I know, but it doesn't matter; there is no brand loyalty in China. This whole setup will cost you like 120-150 RMB; a hit you can afford to eat once or twice a month when you're making 7000-15000.

Walk by, say 'Ni hao! Wo shi (your name), zhèxiē dōu shì wèi nǐ' and give them the goods. At first they will be confused; when I did this last week they had no idea what was going on, but since?

These guys love me now; they wave, they smile, they smoke with me and give me smokes. I can sneak in or out whenever I want, and my freedom is something I value.

The Xuéxiào Grease Move; keep it in the back pocket if you come here to teach.
[/quote
It sounds like brings girls back, u might get noticed with all these guard. u seriously have to grease them?
It is difficult to bring bitches to back ur place in a private or elementary school?. Hey, do u ever fuck ur students? I assume u teach adults too.
Reply
#82

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Quote: (07-24-2012 05:11 PM)redneckpunk Wrote:  

Here is a move that is easier and ten times better.

1)Don't take a job where you live on campus.

2)Get an apartment.

FYI it's kuai not kwei, try to keep up.

First, if you aren't adding data, you don't get to be condescending in my thread (and yes, I see you added some data in previous posts, though I fail to see what this specific post accomplishes).

Second, after I was dicked around and had to live on savings and less than half my typical rate for all of July (I am certainly not getting the 13,000 or so my previous deal stipulated...can't stress enough how important it is for you to find about whether or not your school can get you a proper working VISA before you come, a lesson I learned the hard way), I was given two options for what to do between July 9th and August 5th; one was to stay at my regular school, where I would work more hours, make less money and live further away from school (requiring me to wake up earlier and spend time and money commuting), and the other was to go to another town (where I have some friends), work less hours, make more money, and live within two minutes of my classroom. Which option would someone who had depleted his savings just to survive choose? Hell, which option would anyone with two brain cells to rub together choose?

I will be out of here and my place will be ready the first week of August; you taught here, you know that inexperienced foreign teachers are at best mercenaries and at worst chattel. Hell, I met someone not long ago who, at considerable expense of his own, refused to play ball and do what I had to do and went home, after just two months.

I will agree with you that living on campus is not long-term an ideal situation for a young man; it's fine if you're like 50 and you don't really do much after class but read and hang with your wife or whatever, but if you like to have fun I wouldn't recommend it, even though these schools are legitimate, prompt with their pay and pay you well (the guys I know making 14-15 all work at places like this).

Quote: (07-24-2012 07:39 PM)keepreal Wrote:  

Quote: (07-24-2012 08:07 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

Here is some nice contrarian data for you, since I have not contributed much to my thread in a while (having had to live a full month on a half-month's salary, with a trip to Hong Kong in there - especially with the trip to Hong Kong - is next to impossible, totally depleted my savings). This move will pay dividends and goes to show the universal power of grease.

Background is this; Tipping is not only not a city in China; it's not a thing in China and is discouraged (though it's picking up steam in top-end markets like Shanghai and Hong Kong), but if you've read the G Manifesto's classic piece, you know that tipping and grease are two different entities.

The Xuéxiào Grease Move:

Xuéxiào means school, try to keep up.

Anyways, if you take a job at a primary or a private school, you may have noticed that at the front gate, there are guards. These guys are basically responsible for keeping an eye for who comes and goes, letting cars in and keeping an eye on the kids. These guys will not like you on the initial; A friend who is now back in the USA told me that he was allegedly dimed out by one of them to his girl when he was bringing other girls back (it could have been that, sure, but me? I think he made the mistake of not keeping his mouth shut about it); the fact is there is a lot of suspicion of the foreigners and interest in keeping them in line in primary/private schools.

Their booths aren't AC (it's been 34-38 for going on two weeks here, today at 31 is the 'coolest' day we've had in a while) and they get paid comparatively little (1500-2500 RMB a month...I make about 9).

I will now tell you how to get these guys on your team (or at least get them to turn a blind eye to your antics).

What you do is this; on a hot day, go to a bodega (they aren't called bodegas, but they're hole-in-the-wall convenience stores and they are everywhere) with like 200 RMB. Grab some cold drinks; Gatorade, vitamin water, iced T, some pop, and hell, if you do this in the evening, you can even slip a few beers in there if you want (imported like Heineken or Budweiser, these guys drink Tsingtao, Snow and Harbin every day, make it different). This will cost you less than 30 kwei.

Next, since 80% of Chinese men (and a disproportionately small percentage of the women) smoke, grab a few packs of smokes for the boys. Don't get the shitty 10 kwei Liquns that taste like hay and wreck your throat, drop 40 or more per pack on something higher-end like Chunghwas; any higher-end (35k +) is sufficient, I just say Chunghwa because it's what I know, but it doesn't matter; there is no brand loyalty in China. This whole setup will cost you like 120-150 RMB; a hit you can afford to eat once or twice a month when you're making 7000-15000.

Walk by, say 'Ni hao! Wo shi (your name), zhèxiē dōu shì wèi nǐ' and give them the goods. At first they will be confused; when I did this last week they had no idea what was going on, but since?

These guys love me now; they wave, they smile, they smoke with me and give me smokes. I can sneak in or out whenever I want, and my freedom is something I value.

The Xuéxiào Grease Move; keep it in the back pocket if you come here to teach.
It sounds like brings girls back, u might get noticed with all these guard. u seriously have to grease them?
It is difficult to bring bitches to back ur place in a private or elementary school?. Hey, do u ever fuck ur students? I assume u teach adults too.

Yes, you will get noticed bringing different girls as I have heard (I've been here less than three weeks and am only here for one more, and I am currently working prospects in other places...I away-teamed a bit in Hangzhou, but have not been able to bring a girl back here; girls in Nanjing and Wuxi are confirmed for August, and I am looking into the travel logistics to get to Wuhan [I don't want to spend 14 hours on a train or more than 1200 on a flight]).

Do you have to grease them? No, but do you have to grease anybody? Grease is a magical tool that makes things easier for you. So no, you don't have to grease, but it never hurts.

Fuck my students!? Fuck no! I teach kids aged 11-15, so that's a no, and the older students are 18-19, but I refuse to do it. Not so much that I'm worried about losing my job, but annual enrollment at the school I'm at costs like 75,000. I do not want to get on the bad side of the type of people that can afford to spend that kind of money on their kid's education and show up in Maseratis and Porsches to pick them up on Fridays.

Plenty of girls out there; I can afford to not shit where I eat here.
Reply
#83

Nonpareil's China Adventures

was I condescending...yes

did I add value...yes

don't stay on campus. That is valuable to know just like greasing guards if your situation dictates that you have to live on campus.

Knowing the Visa situation and the housing situation for your school are important things for newbies to know.

correcting a word in pinyin that you have misspelled numerous times adds value that now you know how to spell it.

Did I find your "Xuéxiào means school, try to keep up." kind of condescending too...yes

I'm sure you were just joking and being a smart ass (which is fine)but then if you misspell the slang word for money in mandarin which 99% of the people reading don't know what you are talking about, even if you spelled it correctly, then a smart ass retort is coming back.

You have a cocky writing style, which I like, but when combined with inaccurate info...more MCD than KFC's, traditional girls don't have sex before marriage, etc. it screams of know it all china newbie.

As a China vet that can rub me the wrong way. But I like your posts and will try to behave better.

bu hao yi si
Reply
#84

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Nonpareil,

"But the hottest girls in China? The aren't even from China, they're from Hong Kong; take your average Chinese girl, give her an ass, clear skin and nice teeth, and you just made a Hong Kong girl."

That is interesting that you say this. I fucked a girl from Hong Kong about a month ago who was on vacation here. She had nice tits and ass but her face was quite average. She told me that dudes from Hong Kong are always talking about how much cuter the girls are in Taiwan. Also I've heard from other people that Taiwanese girls are prettier than girls from Hong Kong. I would think that Chinese girls and Taiwanese girls would be pretty much the same.
Reply
#85

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Quote: (07-24-2012 11:50 PM)redneckpunk Wrote:  

was I condescending...yes

did I add value...yes

don't stay on campus. That is valuable to know just like greasing guards if your situation dictates that you have to live on campus.

Knowing the Visa situation and the housing situation for your school are important things for newbies to know.

correcting a word in pinyin that you have misspelled numerous times adds value that now you know how to spell it.

Did I find your "Xuéxiào means school, try to keep up." kind of condescending too...yes

I'm sure you were just joking and being a smart ass (which is fine)but then if you misspell the slang word for money in mandarin which 99% of the people reading don't know what you are talking about, if even you spelled it correctly, then a smart ass retort is coming back.

bu hao yi si

Yeah and it's okay, but kwei, kuai...all sounds the same to me (as long as I know how to say it, it's all good).

Anyways, part of the function of this thread is something you don't see or hear a lot about. My time in China so far (almost 4 months) has been mostly great, but there have been some harsh times; the VISA situation (overlooked initially because I was so thrilled to be getting out of Canada), the weight loss (and the fact that I could get no one to help me), the Mickey-Mouse way in which my first office was run and the appalling way I was treated there (it was retarded and I will detail it sometime in the future) and the moving around.

As I said; I have had a great time, but I've also been forced to do some fucked up shit and seen some retarded, unprofessional shit go down, that it would be useful for anyone considering the trip to know (and was certainly not detailed by the ridiculously fly 'guest speaker' at the end of my course, but if I do that bit I'll tell these people what's up).

Back home on the internet, and even on the street, all you'll hear 95% of the time is the 'good' about teaching in China; the fun kids, the good pay, the easy hours, the abundant local talent...no one ever thinks to prepare you for the bad that can happen, and it can happen if you don't do your homework (almost any bad you hear about teaching English in China is switched back on the government or about how forcing kids to learn English for the Gao kao is 'perpetuating a pervasive middle-class worldview' or some shit).

The first thing I plan to do on my next deal? Negotiate it all myself down to the last cent and the location of my place, get a foreign teacher there to SHOW me their VISA over Skype and make sure it's in a big city (Lesson #2: If the town your job is in was just a blip on the map in 1995, don't go there).

As for the campus thing...yeah, you need the leverage of experience to negotiate your own place, but honestly I don't think living on campus and making bank, in a happening area (Nanjing near Nanjing U., Hangzhou near Zhejiang U., Shanghai near the Bund etc,.) would be that bad...I mean I would prefer my own pad, but as that move shows, it's not difficult to get people to leave you alone.

Quote: (07-25-2012 12:14 AM)Tony Snow25 Wrote:  

Nonpareil,

"But the hottest girls in China? The aren't even from China, they're from Hong Kong; take your average Chinese girl, give her an ass, clear skin and nice teeth, and you just made a Hong Kong girl."

That is interesting that you say this. I fucked a girl from Hong Kong about a month ago who was on vacation here. She had nice tits and ass but her face was quite average. She told me that dudes from Hong Kong are always talking about how much cuter the girls are in Taiwan. Also I've heard from other people that Taiwanese girls are prettier than girls from Hong Kong. I would think that Chinese girls and Taiwanese girls would be pretty much the same.

I can't speak for Taiwan (I'd like to check it out there, heard good things), but I was floored by Hong Kong. One of my problems with mainland girls? They dress nice, they're skinny and they act like women, but a good...oh I'd say (depending on your market) anywhere between 25 and 60% of them have bad skin, and I saw very little of that in HK.

And yes, the fatter asses they possess definitely help.

Hong Kong is also good because like New York, London, Paris and Tokyo, it's an international center for modeling. I saw quite a few tall white, brown, black and Asian dimes in my few days here.
Reply
#86

Nonpareil's China Adventures

I'll contribute: if you're going to China, grab freegate 7.31 - free and easy to use proxy server so you can stay on fb, youtube, wordpress ect
Reply
#87

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Quote: (07-25-2012 01:37 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

I'll contribute: if you're going to China, grab freegate 7.31 - free and easy to use proxy server so you can stay on fb, youtube, wordpress ect
I have been using VPN, mine is gotrusted(free oneweek trial and 6bucks amonth), there are better VPN than that, but there are more expensive.
Reply
#88

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Down on the ground in Shanghai for 24 hours now and here are my first impressions.

1. This city is fucking massive and beautiful. Imagine Parisian streets the the hustle of NYC and multiply the population by 3. You now have Shanghai. I've hit most of the worlds first class cities in my travels, but I've never seen something so big. I'm on the balcony on the 36th floor of a friend's apartment and I look to my left and I just see fucking buildings, I look straight ahead, buildings, to my right, buildings. It's manic.

2. Game is going to be tough here. Logistics are not ideal being that my friend lives with his girlfriend, isn't much of a drinker or partier, and I'm not sure how it will work with me hauling ass back here. Besides, he's one of my best buds around and frankly, I view the time spent catching up with each other more valuable right now than chasing women. Additionally, there is a lot of money in this city. Money that I have no chance of competing with. I crossed the street next to a woman tonight and I just knew from her watch, to her heels, to her fendi bag, to her ostensible dress that she could buy a house win the amount of cash she was wearing. My friend said that social hierarchy is very important here, difficult to crack, and will take more than a few weeks to identify the intricacies of the culture especially when it comes to women.

I am going to work hard in what appears a tough city to crack, and difficult logistics to boot. I'm not expecting Shanghai to be a big hit with women, but we'll see how the weekend develops. I told him I was rolling alone tomorrow night and he said it was cool to come home whenever. I guess I'll dress to impress and see what happens.
Reply
#89

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Shanghai is the easiest city in China to get laid in.

If you have your own room then it doesn't matter. Chinese girls can be a little hesistant to go back home with you if you have a roommate.

Tell them you have a roommate and he is out of town. When she gets to your apartment oops he came back in town early. She is already there and isn't going to leave.

When making out if she stops and wants to take a shower let her, it means you are about to get laid.

His girlfriend will have attractive friends that like foreigners. Your situation isn't bad unless you are staying on the couch.
Reply
#90

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Redneck is there some way I can contact you? Your pm is disabled.
Reply
#91

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Rolling through the center of Shanghai and it seems like I've figured out a weakness. I'm stopped over in a Starbucks to whip out the iPad to figure out where to go next today and to get out of te irrepressible heat. I'm wearing a shirt where I went to college. It's a school that has world wide recognition, and the education obsessed Chinese immediately recognize it. I am now being approached by girls who say they've never met someone who has gone to that school and it is a dream to go. I've picked up 2 numbers already by conversing with them, so let's see where this goes.
Reply
#92

Nonpareil's China Adventures

A solid afternoon of checking out Nanjing road and the bund in shanghai today. In terms of day game, education game is VERY strong.

Shanghai is the SECRETARIAT of the Chinese economy. Young people are obsessed to get a piece of the pie. My t-shirt sends a clear message I am eating the biggest slice of that pie. I was a hit with university aged girls. Picked up 4 numbers this afternoon. 3 seem like good bets. Additionally,when I reveal my profession to them, it makes my game even stronger because my profession is highly respected in Chinese culture.

I knew my game was strong when university guys, and parents wanted their children to take pictures with me.
Reply
#93

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Quote: (07-25-2012 08:28 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Redneck is there some way I can contact you? Your pm is disabled.

PM's still not working. I got yours, but it says unable to send.
Reply
#94

Nonpareil's China Adventures

@MaleDefined: Will you tell us which school that is?
Reply
#95

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Quote: (07-27-2012 05:23 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  

@MaleDefined: Will you tell us which school that is?

Sorry, but no. Ask a Chinese girl what American Universities she wants to go to. It's one of those.
Reply
#96

Nonpareil's China Adventures

So I've gamed various venues over the past 100 hours or so on the ground in Shanghai. I wouldn't say I've devoted loll my time to it because I want to catch up with my good friend and explore culture a bit, but one place has stood out to me as THE place to run game. It's not in a club where social circle seems king, it's not on the street because of the shyness of the women to be stopped randomly, it's not on the subway where shanghai has mobile service in the subway, thus making everyone a slave to their techy gadget, it's not in a lower key bar, it's not in a mall, it's in...MC DONALD'S!

China and young women in specific love going to McDonald's. It's going to ruin them in the long run, but I want to ruin them in the next 2 weeks so I'm not concerned. China's comfortability with communal seating while eating make it entirely natural for me to roll up to the cutest girl in McDonald's and sit down and strike up a conversation. From there I run a little education game, as most girls are young and go to university, and I walk out with a number. I'm hitting McDonald's 2 or 3 times a day for coffee and a chat. I secured a Chinese flag last night from McDonald's, though she was a 6 on a generous day, I can't believe a shittastic American conglomerate could lead to game success.
Reply
#97

Nonpareil's China Adventures

MD, great stuff (I think Nonpareil mentioned this working as well, so it sounds solid). I will try out this McD/Starbucks and education game when I'm in China next month (sadly not in Shanghai).
Reply
#98

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Quote: (07-28-2012 07:22 AM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

it's in...MC DONALD'S!

[Image: lep.gif]

Overseas players, make a habit out of frequenting the McDonalds and KFC restaurants in China, much talent and easy to scoop.
Reply
#99

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Seriously. That's amazing. I didn't even read/remember that post when reading up on China. It's true, McDonalds is king. I'd say Starbucks is a last resort because of less turnover and less opportunity for communal seating. McDonalds literally has a line out the door at ALL times and at least one section of seats are completely communal. If you see no prospects when you grab that coffee just wait 5 minutes and your prospect,will arrive.

I'm thinking of just saving my coffee cup and wandering in and out of McDonald's all day.
Reply

Nonpareil's China Adventures

Hangzhou Data Sheet: Xihu District

Hey guys, this is my first bolt of Hangzhou data; however, since I'm here for a year (barring the unforeseen) and it is a very large city with much to offer, I plan to add small things here and there to the overall data sheet; it's a big fuckin' city (urban population of about 6.5 million or so), so there's a chance I'll get out of the way every so often and see some things that I feel you guys should know about.

This sheet is mostly clustered around the Xihu (West Lake) District...the city is very large, but the Xihu District is really where you want to be because in addition to being the most famous, is the largest and second-most populous area of the city, in terms of clubs, accommodations, sights and shopping, you're going to have a shit-ton more opportunity and things to do in Xihu than you will in a place like Binjiang.

About:

Hangzhou is the capital of Zhejiang Province in China. It's history is rich and ancient, dating back to it's time as the capitol during the Southern Song Dynasty, and it was once even the largest city in the world sometime around the 1400's.

Nowadays, like much of China, there is hustle and bustle everywhere; the city's metropolitan population has surged to about 8 million, and even though much of the city is largely indistinguishable from any other Chinese metropolis, indications of it's vibrant past can be found wherever you're willing to look. Hangzhou is one of the richest cities in China in terms of both Per Capita and Gross GDP.

The weather in Hangzhou is most analogous to a place like Jacksonville or Savannah; summer days with lots of rain and temperatures in the 90's aren't unusual, but in the winter things can get chilly. The best times to visit are April-May and September.

Point of Order:

Someone pointed out something; there is a definite negative correlation between level of English spoken and attractiveness in the women, but I think I have this one cracked; you see, China is smarter than the US with University; instead of creating debt slaves by giving 17 and 18 year olds with zero future-time orientation or impulse control massive student loans, in China, you don't go to University until you're 20, and you graduate when you're 24, and I really think this is how it should be done; you graduate high school at 18, work for a few years to get some experience and capital and THEN you go to school...it'd save a ton of problems and debt for many people, but I digress.

So you want to know what I think constitutes the English-to-hotness negative correlation? Because chances are the hot girl that speaks zero English is 19 or 20 (and at her peak), and the unattractive-to-okay girl that speaks 'well' is 25-28 (past her peak and on her way to the wall). Chinese women do age well, still no one can escape it, and is 'aging well' really not just a big oxymoron?

Arrival:

Hangzhou-Xiaoshan International Airport forms as the catchment for the flights into the city, servicing nearly all domestic cities and some international centers in Asia (Kuala Lumpur, Manila, Singapore, Bangkok etc,.). However, it is about a 150 RMB taxi ride from Xiaoshan to the city proper, so come prepared for that.

The city also serves as Zhejiang's railway hub for most of China, with high-speed trains reaching 170 km/h. However, like Xiaoshan, the main train station is far from the city, again about 180 by taxi (and you may need to haggle for it).

For short term trips from places like Shanghai (2 hours), Wuxi (3 hours), Suzhou (2 hours), Ningbo (3 hours) and Yiwu (2 hours), budget players (or teachers who have blown all their money a week before pay comes in, such as myself) should consider the bus; the bus terminal is located right near everything in town, and again...I have banged a girl I met on the long-distance bus, which is more than I can say for the train.

Lodging:

As is the story everywhere in China, you can get a crummy roach-motel hostel spot for 100 a night, but you don't want to do that; trust me on this, I lived in one for 3 weeks, never again.

In Hangzhou you want to stay in one place and one place only; Xihu adjacent, seriously, you want to be able to get there in a maximum of ten minutes on foot. All of the best clubs, bars and restaurants are either walking distance, reachable by bus or ten or less minutes by cab from the lake. Here are some suggestions.

The Shangri-La (International chain) on Beishan Road is stately and nice, right on the lake, rooms start at about 1400 a night plus service charges, but logistically, it's a good bet, the price be damned (and really, 1500 RMB is nothing to lose sleep over, that's like $250 USD).

A friend coming in to visit said good things about the Sofitel on West Lake Avenue; clean, spacious rooms and a great spa and pool, about 900 RMB, not bad, though a little less close to the center of the action.

However, your best bet for logistics? Try out the Wyndham Grand Plaza Royale Hangzhou on Fengqi road (which runs adjacent to the lake). You can get a good room for around 1350 here, and...well just look at Google Maps; you're less than a thousand feet from G-Plus and Boiling 100C...can't be beat.

The city also boasts a Crowne Plaza, a Banyan Tree, an Intercontinental, a Hyatt and numerous Century hotels, so you aren't limited in your choices. To get a better grasp on accommodations in the city, peep MoreHangzhou.com. For a room you wouldn't be ashamed to bring a pretty Chinese girl to that offers airtight logistics, be prepared to drop 850-1500 a night.

Getting Around:

The city has a bus system that would take a foreigner with no knowledge of how to read characters years to learn, though you can just hop on one day if you're bored and see where it takes you. It's 2-4 kuai a ride.

Taxis are plentiful but rare (as weird as it sounds), and since the city sprawls, they can get pricey (and drivers are not above ripping you off), and catching a cab when it's raining (which is often)? Forget about it. However, they remain a necessary evil and the meter starts at 11 RMB.

What to do:

Assuming you aren't here just to fuck women (I love fucking beautiful foreign women just as much as anyone here, but it's not the only reason I travel), the city has quite a few nice 'natural' sites to offer.

Most famous among these is Xi Hu (West Lake). Venerated by poets throughout Chinese history, it's something everyone has to see. It's got bridges, temples, pagodas and all that jazz, but also on it's shores is an armada of coffee shops, restaurants and hotels. In reality though, while the throngs of people and muscular skyline of the city has dimmed some of the past allure (players who have stomped in Northern Ontario, Western Canada, the Appalachians, Alaska, Hawaii, Central and South America and parts of Europe will not be as sprung by the lake's appeal, but just play along), it's a very nice romantic place, the ideal set piece to create a view for a swoop.

As an added bonus, Xihu is the only sight of cultural significance in China that is free of charge.

Nearby is the village of Longjing, where the famous Dragon Well Tea (Longjingcha) is made, not bad for a day trip, but also slightly tourist-trappy; you will be HPSed (high-pressure sold) to buy some.

To the west is the Xixi Wetlands, a serene place famous for it's birdwatching, a good place for a meditative stroll and photography, get there by going west down Tianmushan Road.

Xihu Tiandi is a great place to see the old and the new side by side, where pagodas and stately arches co-exist peacefully with Maserati dealerships and Starbucks, lots of girls walking the streets of Xihu Tiandi on nice days. It's located on Nanshan Road.

The city is bisected from its suburbs (Binjiang and Xiaoshan) by the Qiantang Jiang (Qiantang River), which experiences the world's largest tidal bore...not really of note, but a cool fact, I guess.

Eating:

It's China...there are shit tons of hot pot, Sichuanese, Xinjiangese, Night BBQ, Western and other Asian Places everywhere. Definitely peep Vanessa Korean Restaurant on Huaxing Road. Burton's Coffee on Tianmushan Road (near Coco Banana's) serves good foreign food, but it's really Eudora Station in Xihu Tiandi (Nanshan Road) that knocks it out, not just with the western food, but the overall ambiance of the setting; an open-concept bar-pub on Xihu Tiandi surrounded by trees, fucking magic.

My favorite Chinese restaurants are Grandma's Kitchen (Wen Er Road near Gudun Road - though the city allegedly has at least 3 more branches), Fengdu on Shuguang Road and Xiang Xiang Guan off Jingzhou Road on the west side (for the shrimp). My favorite Hot Pot Place is Macao Doulou off Nanshan Road (near Eudora).

And finally...what can I say about Gaoyin Street in the Shangcheng District? It's this big crazy street near Wushan Square with ALL restaurants and tea houses...seriously, at least 50 restaurants side by side, and all five on the street I have been to are excellent. Most offer English menus, but some don't.

Also, as has been said in this thread; get your KFC and McDonald's locations on lock. You will never not see the talent entering and exiting these American fat houses, but they stay thin because it's hot as hell, they walk everywhere and the fries at McDonald's are a 'treat', not 'breakfast'.

Clubs:

Hangzhou's club scene is pretty decent; not Shanghai crazy, but its definitely a good place to let loose.

On Huaxing Road is the Co Co Club; lots of talent and a great vibe and middle-priced, good Latin music scene, it's also near a smattering of restaurants and a good pool hall (The 9 Club), and it's also very close to...Coco Bananas; that place is sick.

First, what you do is this; you go early and pre-party and eat at Burton's a legitimate authentic pub-style place with good Western food at fair prices (they have 3 RMB Tequila shots on Fridays, exercise caution); all the honeys from Zhejiang University across the street come here to drink after class, so the talent is very good (and will speak some English). After that, you walk fifty feet, take an elevator and you get to a throbbing dance club, with a reasonably-sized dance floor and lots of tables. Burton's/Coco Bananas is located at Huanglong Times Square at Wantang Road near Tianmushan Road.

Completing the Coco trifecta of Wantang Road is Coco Jeff; sounds like the name for a gay bar, but it's not; it's kind of small, but the dance floor revs up, and it's new so it still draws in the talent.

There are a bunch of 'bars', if you can call them that, in or near the Yellow Dragon Stadium on Huanglong Road that range from KTV to go-go girl spots (no strippers in China, allegedly) and hole in the wall drink spots. The talent is good but the night can run expensive.

A place I have yet to see but keep hearing about is the biggest bar/club in the city, Boiling 100C on Hubin Road near the Xihu tunnel, but that's mostly because the foreigners I hear it from are (as the G would say) 'suspect'; douchey T-shirts, tribal tattoos and talking big games but going home to average-looking Chinese girlfriends, but I have heard that the place gets pretty wild on Thursdays and Fridays. I reckon I'll check it out sometime soon.

Suzie Wong on Wenyi Road near Gucui Road is pretty good but it's location is not logistically favorable (as in, if you stay near Xihu - as you should - you need a taxi).

So there are lots of clubs and things to do in the city at night...but in my opinion, the best talent available? G-Plus and Queen right spitting distance from the West Lake on Baochu Road...G-plus is a rave style place with glow sticks and House-EDM and Queen is a bit more grounded but still fun, and they're right by the lake, so it's very target rich.

Finally, if you like to get your Salsa on, peep Night and Day on Nanshan Road up from Eudora's.

Budgeting:

This is a handy little section I am making from my own experiences in the city...bear in mind I live here and make a salary here, so I am extrapolating a little bit. I assume that this budget, which I will lay out, is for the traveler who wants a few things in a one week stay;

- A comfortable room.
- Airtight logistics.
- 3-4 Club nights.
- 1-2 Bar nights.
- To eat well.

Also remember, this is not baseline; this is balling. You can do the city on much less (or much more) should you choose, but this is just how I would do it if I had the option.

So with that out of the way...

1) Five days and six nights in the Wyndham Grand Plaza Royale, King bed, smoking room: 6240元 + surcharges, Link

2) 3 Nights at any of Queen, Coco Bananas, Coco Jeff, Boiling 100, G Plus or the Yellow Dragon Area: 2400元 (bring at least 500 a night).

3) Meals (weekly total): 1200元

4) General Shopping (if you're into that sort of thing): 3000元

5) Transport (taxis, bus): 300元

6) Miscellaneous spending money/slush: 3000元

TOTAL: If you want to do Hangzhou right, bang a few girls, party it up and have a great time, you should be bringing around 16000元. As of today, the current rate of exchange for the CNY is 1 CNY = 0.157626 USD, therefore 16000 CNY is about $2500 USD, which even after your flight (depends on which market you fly out of) is really not bad if you want to enjoy a crazy week in a strange place.

What is the absolute statistical minimum you should come with if you want to have an at least good week? 8000 RMB, around $1250 USD.

To Be Continued...?
Reply


Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)