[Caramel Communist]

(08-02-2010 08:01 AM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

(08-01-2010 08:16 PM)Caramel Communist Wrote:  

(08-01-2010 07:03 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(08-01-2010 06:36 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

Rashida Jones here would be considered white (ou sarará, which means a mix). or mulatta at most.

Yep, that's true.

Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypodescent

hey let's take it a step further...my dad told me about this...apparently they did this at the hbu fraternities back in the day to determine if you got accepted or not....and for Jack/Jill society's...crazy man..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorism

Clarence Thomas (US Supreme Court Justice) stated that this is the reason why he became a conservative. He said that light skinned blacks very blatantly discriminated against him when he got to Yale and that it was very hypocritical for Blacks to complain against White racism and at the same time condone colorism within the Black community. I remember coming of age in the early 90's in NY where if you weren't red boned like Chico Debarge, you just wasn't gonna get any ass. Chicks would straight out tell me, " you just too dark." Now it's amazing how the pendulum has swung the complete opposite way in less than 10years. Dark skinned Brothas have taken over the building, I get way way more than my "fair share."

Yep...Al.B Sure...pretty muthafucka's...then that dam Wesley Snipes, Leon and Tyson Beckford had to come and fuck shit up!!

[speakeasy]

(08-02-2010 10:55 AM)Caramel Communist Wrote:  

Yep...Al.B Sure...pretty muthafucka's...then that dam Wesley Snipes, Leon and Tyson Beckford had to come and fuck shit up!!

SEAL hasn't done too bad either!

[Caramel Communist]

(08-02-2010 01:59 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(08-02-2010 10:55 AM)Caramel Communist Wrote:  

Yep...Al.B Sure...pretty muthafucka's...then that dam Wesley Snipes, Leon and Tyson Beckford had to come and fuck shit up!!

SEAL hasn't done too bad either!

Yeah...but that brotha can sing his ass off....women love a man who can sing..You know they actually did a study and they took some Barry White music over to Europe and he consistently was rated the sexiest voice out of all the voices heard by the women being studied...

[Mrs. Chocolate]

I love Seal!

[damasta]

you think brazil have more bros than whites? haha

WRONG

you should check well, maybe you are thinking in people like "pardos" or "mulatos" as black people

and they aren't

[Badstuber]

(08-05-2010 03:28 PM)damasta Wrote:  

you think brazil have more bros than whites? haha

WRONG

you should check well, maybe you are thinking in people like "pardos" or "mulatos" as black people

and they aren't

true.
they are even considered white in brazil. people who get considered white in brazil get considered black in western europe

[Global Baller]

(08-05-2010 03:28 PM)damasta Wrote:  

you think brazil have more bros than whites? hahaWRONG
you should check well, maybe you are thinking in people like "pardos" or "mulatos" as black people and they aren't

You're either blind, ignorant or on some fizzy dope.

Or, maybe you never actually been in Brasil.

[Mrs. Chocolate]

Let them Global.

[PinkElephant]

I am convinced that none of you have been to Brazil. Probably just watch American rap videos shot in favelas. The Brazil I see is much whiter than the America or Canada I see. I admit, I have never been to a favela (and neither have most Brazilians). I don't like Samba (neither do most Brazilians). I don't visit Recife (neither do most Brazilians). I prefer Eurodance (massive in Brazil), trips to Floripa, and try to hit Oktoberfest in Blumenau every year. Funniest thing is everyone thinks I am Brazilian until I start talking!

[damasta]

(08-05-2010 04:33 PM)Global Baller Wrote:  

(08-05-2010 03:28 PM)damasta Wrote:  

you think brazil have more bros than whites? hahaWRONG
you should check well, maybe you are thinking in people like "pardos" or "mulatos" as black people and they aren't

You're either blind, ignorant or on some fizzy dope.

Or, maybe you never actually been in Brasil.

haha

i was born in brasil bro


maybe you need to shut your mouth

[IshGibbor]

(08-09-2010 08:26 PM)PinkElephant Wrote:  

I am convinced that none of you have been to Brazil. Probably just watch American rap videos shot in favelas. The Brazil I see is much whiter than the America or Canada I see. I admit, I have never been to a favela (and neither have most Brazilians). I don't like Samba (neither do most Brazilians). I don't visit Recife (neither do most Brazilians). I prefer Eurodance (massive in Brazil), trips to Floripa, and try to hit Oktoberfest in Blumenau every year. Funniest thing is everyone thinks I am Brazilian until I start talking!

Can't comment on Canada since I have never been but the more blacks in America comment had me rolling.

I've been to Brazil (Rio, Salvador, Sao Paulo) and saw many black people (especially in Bahia and in Rio). Based on my observations I know for a fact that Brazil is far more blacker then America (and I grew up in some heavily black areas, Atlanta Ga, Rivera Beach Florida, lived with my uncle in Detroit for a while). Brazil is far blacker then the areas I've mentioned.

There are lots of white people (much more in the south then the north) but the south had a lot of black people too (Rio). I would even say there are more people of color (black-brown-light skin brown) then white people in Brazil. When I was touring in Bahia one of the college professors said that Brazil had the most black people in their country outside of the continent of Africa and based on the empirical data I've gathered I rendered his contention correct.

Blacks in America account for roughly 13% of the American population (give or take a percentage point). I think we can agree that how Black is defined in America and how Black is defined in Brazil are two completely different definitions. I would venture to say that if we had the Black American definition of Black applied to Brazil (i e dark skinned all the way up to Malcolm X light) the majority of Brazilians would be considered black.


Ish

[IshGibbor]

(08-05-2010 03:42 PM)Badstuber Wrote:  

(08-05-2010 03:28 PM)damasta Wrote:  

you think brazil have more bros than whites? haha

WRONG

you should check well, maybe you are thinking in people like "pardos" or "mulatos" as black people

and they aren't

true.
they are even considered white in brazil. people who get considered white in brazil get considered black in western europe

Exactly, that is the point I am trying to make with the above post.

[Global Baller]

(08-09-2010 11:41 PM)damasta Wrote:  

haha

i was born in brasil bro


maybe you need to shut your mouth

Maybe you need to put the crack pipe down. Also, maybe you need to make me shut my mouth. Not on your best day could you make that happen.

[Global Baller]

(08-10-2010 01:20 AM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

I've been to Brazil (Rio, Salvador, Sao Paulo) and saw many black people (especially in Bahia and in Rio). Based on my observations I know for a fact that Brazil is far more blacker then America (and I grew up in some heavily black areas, Atlanta Ga, Rivera Beach Florida, lived with my uncle in Detroit for a while). Brazil is far blacker then the areas I've mentioned.

There are lots of white people (much more in the south then the north) but the south had a lot of black people too (Rio). I would even say there are more people of color (black-brown-light skin brown) then white people in Brazil. When I was touring in Bahia one of the college professors said that Brazil had the most black people in their country outside of the continent of Africa and based on the empirical data I've gathered I rendered his contention correct.

Blacks in America account for roughly 13% of the American population (give or take a percentage point). I think we can agree that how Black is defined in America and how Black is defined in Brazil are two completely different definitions. I would venture to say that if we had the Black American definition of Black applied to Brazil (i e dark skinned all the way up to Malcolm X light) the majority of Brazilians would be considered black.


Ish

I co-sign, bruh. Brasil is a country of people-of-color -- with Afro-Brasilians dominant.

The funny thing is that many white Brasilians think Brasil is mostly white. Maybe this is because they don't travel outside their own states. Or -- what I believe personally -- to maintain economic and political dominance.

[Global Baller]

(08-09-2010 08:26 PM)PinkElephant Wrote:  

I am convinced that none of you have been to Brazil. Probably just watch American rap videos shot in favelas. The Brazil I see is much whiter than the America or Canada I see. I admit, I have never been to a favela (and neither have most Brazilians). I don't like Samba (neither do most Brazilians). I don't visit Recife (neither do most Brazilians). I prefer Eurodance (massive in Brazil), trips to Floripa, and try to hit Oktoberfest in Blumenau every year. Funniest thing is everyone thinks I am Brazilian until I start talking!

I don't believe you really have, either. You might as well stay home and watch the Travel Channel.

[Caramel Communist]

(08-10-2010 12:11 PM)Global Baller Wrote:  

(08-09-2010 08:26 PM)PinkElephant Wrote:  

I am convinced that none of you have been to Brazil. Probably just watch American rap videos shot in favelas. The Brazil I see is much whiter than the America or Canada I see. I admit, I have never been to a favela (and neither have most Brazilians). I don't like Samba (neither do most Brazilians). I don't visit Recife (neither do most Brazilians). I prefer Eurodance (massive in Brazil), trips to Floripa, and try to hit Oktoberfest in Blumenau every year. Funniest thing is everyone thinks I am Brazilian until I start talking!

I don't believe you really have, either. You might as well stay home and watch the Travel Channel.

LoL..Pink is a fraud...I guess that whole Carnival celebration is made up holiday...you know the one the governement created....that the entire country - world celebrates...

[Mrs. Chocolate]

Pink has been with wealthy Brazilians and they are the "majority" that he is talking about.
He is never been in a suburb (way different than American one) and talks this c*.
Sorry, but it is absurd.

[IshGibbor]

(08-10-2010 11:57 AM)Global Baller Wrote:  

(08-10-2010 01:20 AM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

I've been to Brazil (Rio, Salvador, Sao Paulo) and saw many black people (especially in Bahia and in Rio). Based on my observations I know for a fact that Brazil is far more blacker then America (and I grew up in some heavily black areas, Atlanta Ga, Rivera Beach Florida, lived with my uncle in Detroit for a while). Brazil is far blacker then the areas I've mentioned.

There are lots of white people (much more in the south then the north) but the south had a lot of black people too (Rio). I would even say there are more people of color (black-brown-light skin brown) then white people in Brazil. When I was touring in Bahia one of the college professors said that Brazil had the most black people in their country outside of the continent of Africa and based on the empirical data I've gathered I rendered his contention correct.

Blacks in America account for roughly 13% of the American population (give or take a percentage point). I think we can agree that how Black is defined in America and how Black is defined in Brazil are two completely different definitions. I would venture to say that if we had the Black American definition of Black applied to Brazil (i e dark skinned all the way up to Malcolm X light) the majority of Brazilians would be considered black.


Ish

I co-sign, bruh. Brasil is a country of people-of-color -- with Afro-Brasilians dominant.

The funny thing is that many white Brasilians think Brasil is mostly white. Maybe this is because they don't travel outside their own states. Or -- what I believe personally -- to maintain economic and political dominance.

I guess the Dutch South Africans thought they were the majority as well. My former friend Dale who was Dutch South African always used to complain about how hard whites have it now since apartheid ended. I almost had sympathy for him.

[Badstuber]

(08-10-2010 06:35 PM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

(08-10-2010 11:57 AM)Global Baller Wrote:  

(08-10-2010 01:20 AM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

I've been to Brazil (Rio, Salvador, Sao Paulo) and saw many black people (especially in Bahia and in Rio). Based on my observations I know for a fact that Brazil is far more blacker then America (and I grew up in some heavily black areas, Atlanta Ga, Rivera Beach Florida, lived with my uncle in Detroit for a while). Brazil is far blacker then the areas I've mentioned.

There are lots of white people (much more in the south then the north) but the south had a lot of black people too (Rio). I would even say there are more people of color (black-brown-light skin brown) then white people in Brazil. When I was touring in Bahia one of the college professors said that Brazil had the most black people in their country outside of the continent of Africa and based on the empirical data I've gathered I rendered his contention correct.

Blacks in America account for roughly 13% of the American population (give or take a percentage point). I think we can agree that how Black is defined in America and how Black is defined in Brazil are two completely different definitions. I would venture to say that if we had the Black American definition of Black applied to Brazil (i e dark skinned all the way up to Malcolm X light) the majority of Brazilians would be considered black.


Ish

I co-sign, bruh. Brasil is a country of people-of-color -- with Afro-Brasilians dominant.

The funny thing is that many white Brasilians think Brasil is mostly white. Maybe this is because they don't travel outside their own states. Or -- what I believe personally -- to maintain economic and political dominance.

I guess the Dutch South Africans thought they were the majority as well. My former friend Dale who was Dutch South African always used to complain about how hard whites have it now since apartheid ended. I almost had sympathy for him.

The Dutch are the biggest racists of the world and consider only blond people to be Dutch.

[Rocco81]

Damn so much fucking hating going on in this motherfucker.....wow the Dutch are racists, I'm blacker than you, Brazil is whiter than USA, no it ain', Im whiter than you...god fellas. Less typing and more fucking is on order I think.

Caramel and Pink Elephant are both correct, but neither of you is willing to remove your ego and see the other side. @ Caramel: Carnival is a RIO thing. Just like if you only saw the Carribean day parade in Toronto you might assume Canada is blacker than it really is. @ Pink: Southern Brazil is White you are right. Neither of you should forget how big Brazil is.

- Southern Brazil (below Rio and not really considering SP which is international) is majority white...like straight from Europe..like German Adolf with blue eyes and Italian Guido white boys with crucifixes and shit white.

- North Brazil is Very Very black. In the middle (think like Rio) you have a mix of 100% pure black black, to lilly white to everywhere in between of Indigenous indians and blacks and whites all mixed up.

- 3/4 of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade went to Brazil, Venezuela and the Carribean. That is right fellas on 1/4 came to the good ole USA. Brazil has some VERY black and VERY white areas much like the USA, just more blacks.

[Rocco81]

You guys also touched on definition. I've had a clearly mullata American girl tell me she was white. And I've had some very white American and Puerto Rican girls claim they were part black...it really depends on how you look at it. Some people really believe what they are saying and others might do it to conform to a cultural pressure that they feel they got to conform to.

At the end of the day, I dont consider a person who is 1/2 or 1/4 black and white to be black or white, but instead mixed. Mullato.

- Same with Latinos, most are part European and some Indian. Once you go to those countries and see exactly how short and dark a real Indian is, you know the difference.

[InternationalSwagger]

The Miami Herald did a great piece on this very topic...Great reads/images/media and articles touching on the issues of being Black in Latin America. http://www.miamiherald.com/multimedia/ne...index.html

Racism takes many hues
Visiting Brazil, where race has a way of seeming both hauntingly familiar and exotically strange, the experience is like looking into a fun-house mirror. Read more:
http://www.miamiherald.com/multimedia/ne...index.html

Afro Descendants in Latin America Multimedia Map showing the amount of slaves shipped to North/Central/South America and The Caribbean.
http://www.miamiherald.com/multimedia/ne...a/map.html

[Rocco81]

I remember I read a piece a while back about this black fella from (I think he was from DC) but he was talking about how excited he was to get to Brazil where all the races were mixed and bieng black was never an issue. Once he got there he approached a black Brazilian and asked him about his experiences with racism in Brazil. Oddly enough, this moment shattered the writers image as the very first black brazilian answered him "..well I don't have much of a problem, but then again I am not black like you are.."

Its actually pretty sad but the point was made that some people who would call themselves white or actually mark on the census forms "white" are in fact not even mixed, and more than likely may be blacker than most black Americans.

[Caramel Communist]

(08-11-2010 10:08 AM)Rocco81 Wrote:  

I remember I read a piece a while back about this black fella from (I think he was from DC) but he was talking about how excited he was to get to Brazil where all the races were mixed and bieng black was never an issue. Once he got there he approached a black Brazilian and asked him about his experiences with racism in Brazil. Oddly enough, this moment shattered the writers image as the very first black brazilian answered him "..well I don't have much of a problem, but then again I am not black like you are.."

Its actually pretty sad but the point was made that some people who would call themselves white or actually mark on the census forms "white" are in fact not even mixed, and more than likely may be blacker than most black Americans.

Good stuff Rocco...I don't have a ego...I'm a professional shit starter...just beasting for good internet convo while doing my work...

Actually it's not sad at all...When the Portuguese settled Brazil and brought the african slaves to replace the indians they did something that American whites never did...They married those slaves and had mullatta offspring and allowed the mullatta's to own property, land, serve in military and certain levels of government. They even had mulatta's that owned slaves....So of course their is a culture that cosigns euro as something to acknowledge or aspire to because status, liberties, and wealth were determined by it...What really put the "foot to ass" of the issue was that Portugal Monarchy/Government physically left Portugal because Napoleon was kicking the shit out of europe and guess who was next on the list? Yep Portugal..Yeah so imagine Obama/congress/supreme court and all the political elite leaving the united states to settle in Iraq or Afghanistan because the chinese are coming..Imagine that presence and influence under you all day in all matters of life from gov't, politics, law, architecture, and societal matters after being a independent nation/colony.....Plus, Brazil has had to rely on Europe for investment and trade and typically those countries that wanted european contributions sent the most euro looking people to negotiate. You will see this process in America, Mexico, Carribbean, Latin America, Africa, India...hell I see it today..Go to any Fortune 500 sales force and I bet a million dollars whites are assigned to white decision makers-clients and blacks are assigned to black decision makers-clients...

[speakeasy]

(08-11-2010 10:08 AM)Rocco81 Wrote:  

I remember I read a piece a while back about this black fella from (I think he was from DC) but he was talking about how excited he was to get to Brazil where all the races were mixed and bieng black was never an issue. Once he got there he approached a black Brazilian and asked him about his experiences with racism in Brazil. Oddly enough, this moment shattered the writers image as the very first black brazilian answered him "..well I don't have much of a problem, but then again I am not black like you are.."

Its actually pretty sad but the point was made that some people who would call themselves white or actually mark on the census forms "white" are in fact not even mixed, and more than likely may be blacker than most black Americans.

The Dominican Republic from what I hear is the worst country in Latin America when it comes to colorism. The blacks there fully deny being black. Have you guys seen Sammy Sosa as of late? He turned himself into a white man. Not quite as bad as Michael Jackson, but he looks pathetic. That whole colonial color hierarchy has fucked Latin America for centuries. It's like the whole damn region from Mexico down to S. America has this self-hatred inferiority complex. The irony is that the Europeans who set up that color system are more tolerant of black people now than the people those Europeans colonized. That's the mindfuck of it all. Which is why black dudes will get more ass in Germany or Sweden than they will in Colombia or Peru.