So picked up the term "retro fucking" around the internets and forums like this (i.e. a chick you knew/know from back in the day that you haven't fucked but might be able to). In another thread I came to terms a bit with how to work out some discreet gaming (as I'm in an LTR) and thus need to keep the game real low for now.
So basically I have two girls I'd love to retro-fuck, both are quite different, and I'm trying to see if I have a chance and if so the route to take to try to get it done. I've summarized below a bit of history of each along with value, social circle, risk, etc. I'm trying to learn it so bare with me:
Girl 1:
Known her since high school, crushed on her way back over 12 years ago at the time. We lost touch a bit for a few years but ended up seeing each other around post graduate classes like 4 years ago. About 2 years ago we reconnected and starting hanging out again, it was real seamless but at the time seemed quite "friend" like. She struck me as "one of the guys" a chick you could talk about anything with and who wasn't prissy or shit like that.
Since reconnecting we talk usually regularly and for a while I was seeing her a few times a month to hang out and drink at local bars near her, sometimes her friends would join, sometimes it was just her an I. A few months ago I offered to fix her computer and as thanks she made me some dinner and bought me some beer...twice...both times she said she was broke and that was a thank you and both of these times we were alone in her place.
I swore the last time sitting on her couch she was just looking at me with "fuck me" eyes...and this is a chick who is very open sexually, very much into casual sex, and very aggressive if she wants it. I was debating on staying and drinking more or leaving to catch train, she said if I missed it I could stay, but I kind of felt my "fuck me" eyes assessment was wrong so opted to go home.
Socially, she's outside my social circles, we know some mutual people, but very loosely. Her social value and fuck value are pretty high, she's pretty popular but discreet I'd imagine. Her and I are in a similar field of work, both of us graduate level educated, both into similar things. I def don't think she pedestals me, I imagine she sees me as an equal and if she did want to fuck me she'd have it if she wanted it but wouldn't let on that she's "submitting to me." One thing I do know is she is a self described freak in bed, has talked to me about how much she loves swallowing, how she loves getting fucked, and funny stories of bringing guys home. Risk would be high with her only because I could make the wrong move and fuck it up.
Haven't hung out since but been in regular contact , she knows my LTR (but not well) and my LTR knows I hang with her and doesn't seem to care. We (girl 1 and myself) have both joked we're broke and haven't been able to afford going out to drink, so I hit her up today about hanging out and drinking...she replied at first "how about friday? (which to me means probably her and i at a bar in which her friends come eventually), then said "well or thursday, I'm broke til friday so if thursday maybe you wanna come over here I can get some wine (this would likely be just us)." Then she proceeded to tell me (all in text) that she is supposed to go out tonight but is tired and yet feels guilty if she doesn't go to see a show with friends. I haven't replied to any of this yet.
Girl 2:
Known since high school, she crushed on me hard then but I didn't know, other girls swooped me up and she was upset later. I eventually taught her how to kiss guys, then we fell away for a while. Around 5 yrs ago she came back and we started hanging out, after a few months of that she suggested we start hooking up and messing around "just for fun you know nothing big and was I ok with that." Of course I went along with it, she initiated and so started a few years off an on of a few times a month hanging out, drinking, and some fingering, making out, feeling up usually in her car. My LTR knew I was hanging with her and drinking with her but never really asked about it (she apparently dislikes girl 2 though but "respects my friendship).
About a year and a half ago was last time I saw Girl 2, she came over my place when LTR and I were on a brief break and I smoked her out and drank with her. We started fooling around a bit (and it was first time this happened in about a year or so , she had been getting with other guys and wanted to "be friends." Basically this time I was "on break" and "horny" and just blew my cool demeanor and instead of letting her run the game, I was borderline annoying in trying to get her into bed...later I played good guy and told her I had fun and apologized if I was acting like a jerk, she said no prob and we hung out a few days later with friends like nothing.
About 2 months ago she reached out looking to hang out saying I should come over her place and hit up the bar down the street, her social value and fuck value to others had dropped a lot, she was jobless, has a kid, lives at home, has multiple DUIs, and had briefly been in with my one social circle back home but drifted out after people tired of her drama while drinking. Her and I have some things in common but mostly she's a person with no real direction, dropped out of college years ago, no initiative on much. In a way I believe to her I'm on a pedestal because girls want me, I'm "successful" compared to her, I have talents and skills (she used to always point out how "awesome you are in everything you do." So to borrow a Roosh like term, I'm a high value guy in her eyes. I was the only one who really just sat back and chilled out on it. I declined her invite to come over to "go to a bar near her" because I didn't want to be the one getting her back to drinking...in hindsight maybe she was asking to "relive old times" and drink and then actually take our fooling around to her bedroom (logistics for us never worked out in my favor during our fling hookups).
Now this week coming up I have a chance to return back home and since her social value and fuck value has dropped so much, if I reach out I could likely get over to her place and get some. I've long had a goal of fucking this chick on the down low, I know she's into me and always has been and I know she wants that attention.
Risk with girl 2 is lower because her social value is so low no one believes her so even if she ratted on me people would just brush her off (LTR included likely). She's on the fringe of social circles these days and most people we mutually know have written her off. Plus I've always sensed a fear that her last "good friend" will write her off , that's me I think, and thus if she ratted me she knows people might not believe her and worse to her, I'd write her off completely.
Thoughts, strategies, insight, tips, comments?
So basically I have two girls I'd love to retro-fuck, both are quite different, and I'm trying to see if I have a chance and if so the route to take to try to get it done. I've summarized below a bit of history of each along with value, social circle, risk, etc. I'm trying to learn it so bare with me:
Girl 1:
Known her since high school, crushed on her way back over 12 years ago at the time. We lost touch a bit for a few years but ended up seeing each other around post graduate classes like 4 years ago. About 2 years ago we reconnected and starting hanging out again, it was real seamless but at the time seemed quite "friend" like. She struck me as "one of the guys" a chick you could talk about anything with and who wasn't prissy or shit like that.
Since reconnecting we talk usually regularly and for a while I was seeing her a few times a month to hang out and drink at local bars near her, sometimes her friends would join, sometimes it was just her an I. A few months ago I offered to fix her computer and as thanks she made me some dinner and bought me some beer...twice...both times she said she was broke and that was a thank you and both of these times we were alone in her place.
I swore the last time sitting on her couch she was just looking at me with "fuck me" eyes...and this is a chick who is very open sexually, very much into casual sex, and very aggressive if she wants it. I was debating on staying and drinking more or leaving to catch train, she said if I missed it I could stay, but I kind of felt my "fuck me" eyes assessment was wrong so opted to go home.
Socially, she's outside my social circles, we know some mutual people, but very loosely. Her social value and fuck value are pretty high, she's pretty popular but discreet I'd imagine. Her and I are in a similar field of work, both of us graduate level educated, both into similar things. I def don't think she pedestals me, I imagine she sees me as an equal and if she did want to fuck me she'd have it if she wanted it but wouldn't let on that she's "submitting to me." One thing I do know is she is a self described freak in bed, has talked to me about how much she loves swallowing, how she loves getting fucked, and funny stories of bringing guys home. Risk would be high with her only because I could make the wrong move and fuck it up.
Haven't hung out since but been in regular contact , she knows my LTR (but not well) and my LTR knows I hang with her and doesn't seem to care. We (girl 1 and myself) have both joked we're broke and haven't been able to afford going out to drink, so I hit her up today about hanging out and drinking...she replied at first "how about friday? (which to me means probably her and i at a bar in which her friends come eventually), then said "well or thursday, I'm broke til friday so if thursday maybe you wanna come over here I can get some wine (this would likely be just us)." Then she proceeded to tell me (all in text) that she is supposed to go out tonight but is tired and yet feels guilty if she doesn't go to see a show with friends. I haven't replied to any of this yet.
Girl 2:
Known since high school, she crushed on me hard then but I didn't know, other girls swooped me up and she was upset later. I eventually taught her how to kiss guys, then we fell away for a while. Around 5 yrs ago she came back and we started hanging out, after a few months of that she suggested we start hooking up and messing around "just for fun you know nothing big and was I ok with that." Of course I went along with it, she initiated and so started a few years off an on of a few times a month hanging out, drinking, and some fingering, making out, feeling up usually in her car. My LTR knew I was hanging with her and drinking with her but never really asked about it (she apparently dislikes girl 2 though but "respects my friendship).
About a year and a half ago was last time I saw Girl 2, she came over my place when LTR and I were on a brief break and I smoked her out and drank with her. We started fooling around a bit (and it was first time this happened in about a year or so , she had been getting with other guys and wanted to "be friends." Basically this time I was "on break" and "horny" and just blew my cool demeanor and instead of letting her run the game, I was borderline annoying in trying to get her into bed...later I played good guy and told her I had fun and apologized if I was acting like a jerk, she said no prob and we hung out a few days later with friends like nothing.
About 2 months ago she reached out looking to hang out saying I should come over her place and hit up the bar down the street, her social value and fuck value to others had dropped a lot, she was jobless, has a kid, lives at home, has multiple DUIs, and had briefly been in with my one social circle back home but drifted out after people tired of her drama while drinking. Her and I have some things in common but mostly she's a person with no real direction, dropped out of college years ago, no initiative on much. In a way I believe to her I'm on a pedestal because girls want me, I'm "successful" compared to her, I have talents and skills (she used to always point out how "awesome you are in everything you do." So to borrow a Roosh like term, I'm a high value guy in her eyes. I was the only one who really just sat back and chilled out on it. I declined her invite to come over to "go to a bar near her" because I didn't want to be the one getting her back to drinking...in hindsight maybe she was asking to "relive old times" and drink and then actually take our fooling around to her bedroom (logistics for us never worked out in my favor during our fling hookups).
Now this week coming up I have a chance to return back home and since her social value and fuck value has dropped so much, if I reach out I could likely get over to her place and get some. I've long had a goal of fucking this chick on the down low, I know she's into me and always has been and I know she wants that attention.
Risk with girl 2 is lower because her social value is so low no one believes her so even if she ratted on me people would just brush her off (LTR included likely). She's on the fringe of social circles these days and most people we mutually know have written her off. Plus I've always sensed a fear that her last "good friend" will write her off , that's me I think, and thus if she ratted me she knows people might not believe her and worse to her, I'd write her off completely.
Thoughts, strategies, insight, tips, comments?
