[Nudge]

(04-17-2012 10:50 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Then there are the women. They are worthy of nothing but painful anal sex these days. I cannot remember the last time I actually met an Aussie girl who was not fucked in the head to some degree. The level of vice is disgusting. They are either drunks, druggies, obese, whores or so utterly selfish and delusional they are like walking parodies. They brag about the fact that they cant cook or are messy. They dress like shit, and I have seen what should be solid 8's and 9's wearing tracksuit pants or pajamas with their uggs out the house. They wear excessive makeup or no makeup at all, they are rude, have no respect for themselves or other people and are so inked up with tattoos these days it feels like every girl I fucked has come straight out of prison.

I agree with this for the most part but you can always find girls with an ethnic or half ethnic background. They have usually been brought up with a few ideas on how to cook, be clean, not be dirty slut etc

[Moma]

Harry's venting is a bit of a surprise to me. I always thought that Australia was on parallels to England. His descriptions make it seem like bad parts of the US and Canada. I have cousins who have been living there since the 80's and it was considered a better alternative to rat race London. I know cats from London presently who are looking to move there as an alternative to London (which is even more crowded now).

[Perseus]

Another Canadian right here, born and bred. Not gonna repeat what my Canadian brothers mentioned in earlier comments, because they all nailed it!

So many similarities and statements in your posts that are congruent with Toronto (which is one rotten city in Canada), however relating your post to Canada as a country might be difficult, as there are parts of Canada that are very friendly and tolerable, women and people wise.

But in summary, i am one of many RVF members who know exactly how you feel, as you literally summed up the attitude of vast majority of Toronto women, and they way they behave, their fucked attitudes, the ugly/masculine sweat pants with retarded UGGS. I see it EVERYDAY, maybe less now cuz weather is getting better, but man it's just stupid.

Only solution is getting the hell out!, even though Canada is where i grew up, experienced everything, but i'm evolutionary designed to reproduce with feminine women who understand gender roles, which in turn will create a happy, healthy, family and a better home environment for children.

[finton_the_toole]

@Moma: Australia is worse than England. Australian women are much worse than English women; many of them go out of their way to dress like truckers. Have a careful listen to Clive James's comments in the video above.

Which is not to say that England is great. But like Toronto is not representative of Canada so London is not representative of England. London is basically weird - you have a strange mix of the international mega-rich, welfare recipients, immigrant welfare recipients, and a large itinerant population which is only there for the work. Having said that, I can't think of one place in England I'd like to live....Edinburgh maybe...except that's not England.

[Moma]

(04-18-2012 10:59 AM)finton_the_toole Wrote:  

@Moma: Australia is worse than England. Australian women are much worse than English women; many of them go out of their way to dress like truckers. Have a careful listen to Clive James's comments in the video above.

Which is not to say that England is great. But like Toronto is not representative of Canada so London is not representative of England. London is basically weird - you have a strange mix of the international mega-rich, welfare recipients, immigrant welfare recipients, and a large itinerant population which is only there for the work. Having said that, I can't think of one place in England I'd like to live....Edinburgh maybe...except that's not England.

Is this every city in Australia? Or just a few that have horrid lizards?

[scotian]

Great post Harry, as other posters have mentioned, the same thing is going on here in Canada too, worse actually, we have a quarter of our population that holds the rest of the country hostage with the threat of separation.

I'm basically in the same boat as you and don't really see myself ever raising a family in Canada, I hope to do the ex-pat thing, hopefully in the next 3-5 years. Even if I continue working in Canada, I will likely spend my time and money elsewhere.

I did my taxes yesterday, I'm in the top tax bracket (progressive income taxes are the worst) and paid 42 Gs in 2011, they'll never get that much from me again because I simply refuse to ever work that many months again.

Our countries are places where hard work and innovation is punished progressive income tax, business red tape and corporate taxes, etc. Yet slothful behavior is encouraged through welfare and employment insurance, etc.

I don't see it changing anytime soon, the sense of entitlement is not a political problem that will suddenly change if a more right wing party is elected, this is a cultural problem that seems to affect most western countries.

[finton_the_toole]

(04-18-2012 11:12 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Is this every city in Australia? Or just a few that have horrid lizards?

Quite frankly Australia has one 'City', Sydney, one large town, Melbourne, and then the rest are extended suburbs. If you want to find women with any shred of femininity you need to go to a few select places in the City or large country town, otherwise....otherwise....it's porn or it's being gay; the boyz on Oxford Street are more girly than the girls.

[Deluge]

Melbourne has 4 million people and is going to reclaim the no. 1 spot in the next two decades. We're hardly a "large town".

[All or Nothing]

(04-18-2012 12:03 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Our countries are places where hard work and innovation is punished progressive income tax, business red tape and corporate taxes, etc. Yet slothful behavior is encouraged through welfare and employment insurance, etc.

Yeah, I guess the people who work 60+ hours a week at crap minimum wage jobs should be having the same portion of money cut off their pay check as you.

Flat taxes are ridiculous. They hit the lower income brackets the hardest and the government gets shorted a ton of revenue.

[Lukey]

(04-18-2012 02:56 PM)finton_the_toole Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 11:12 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Is this every city in Australia? Or just a few that have horrid lizards?

Quite frankly Australia has one 'City', Sydney, one large town, Melbourne, and then the rest are extended suburbs. If you want to find women with any shred of femininity you need to go to a few select places in the City or large country town, otherwise....otherwise....it's porn or it's being gay; the boyz on Oxford Street are more girly than the girls.

I'm sorry but that is complete bullshit. I agree with your comments that Aussie women are far from feminine, however as P Dog said, Melbourne is hardly a town. Hell, even Perth has a population of 2 million.

Furthermore, the 'boys' on Oxford st are gay, hence the girliness. Australian men are by and large far more bigger, stronger, masculine and alpha than Swedes

[Brian]

(04-18-2012 07:15 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 12:03 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Our countries are places where hard work and innovation is punished progressive income tax, business red tape and corporate taxes, etc. Yet slothful behavior is encouraged through welfare and employment insurance, etc.

Yeah, I guess the people who work 60+ hours a week at crap minimum wage jobs should be having the same portion of money cut off their pay check as you.

Flat taxes are ridiculous. They hit the lower income brackets the hardest and the government gets shorted a ton of revenue.

thats not what bothers people. what bothers people is that the guy working 60 hours a week at minimum wage is taking home about the same as the guy or girl sitting on his ass, getting fat off government provided food, in a government subsidized house, using their government provided health care because they are fat and out of shape, all the while not working or contributing anything into the system.

[The_CEO]

(04-18-2012 08:51 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 07:15 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 12:03 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Our countries are places where hard work and innovation is punished progressive income tax, business red tape and corporate taxes, etc. Yet slothful behavior is encouraged through welfare and employment insurance, etc.

Yeah, I guess the people who work 60+ hours a week at crap minimum wage jobs should be having the same portion of money cut off their pay check as you.

Flat taxes are ridiculous. They hit the lower income brackets the hardest and the government gets shorted a ton of revenue.

thats not what bothers people. what bothers people is that the guy working 60 hours a week at minimum wage is taking home about the same as the guy or girl sitting on his ass, getting fat off government provided food, in a government subsidized house, using their government provided health care because they are fat and out of shape, all the while not working or contributing anything into the system.

You must be talking about congress.

[T and A Man]

Take the blinkers off Brian.

I'm sure the situation is worse in the U.S. than Australia, but a person on unemployed benefits in Australia gets $32.50 a day, this in the the highest cost of living, middle sized economy in the world.

In the U.S, more money was spent bailing out banks, that has been spent on food stamps in what? 20 years?

Here in Australia, the largese is extended, via government subsidies, to mainly middle class welfare. i.e. people who don't actually require welfare as originally devised.

We have negative gearing on investment proeprty, where the cost of capital is offset against other forms of income.

Currently, 1.2 million on the 1.7 investment properties are claiming this, this can only occur where the yield is less than the cost of capital. It claims around 1% of GDP in foregone tax receipts, as well as accentuating the biggest property bubble on the planet. Any rational discussion about the lack of productivity gains and lack of innovation in Australia will understand that this has been the culprit. There is no need to innovate when easy profit has been made, and supported by government activity. To blame poor people for this is absurd.

We also maintain this property bubble to continue the 'entitlement' of an already landed (and wealthy) class, property developers and land lords.

Of our welfare transfer payments, which comprise around 7% of GDP, the highest is the old age pension by a long way. This is an anachranism based on the qualifying retirement age ORIGINALLY being set 1 year higher than the average male life expectancy. Now it is 14 years below. 65 year olds are still capable of working. However baby boomers view the old aged pension as an entitlement, something akin to a long service leave annuity.

Second highest is payments to single mothers (and we will all see the problem here on this board, but it is not enough to cripple a country), the third is Family Tax Act A, a supplementary payment to families whilst they have dependent children. These were polcies brought in from our last 'conservative' government to shore up votes, and no other reason. It is middle class welfare but no endemic of lazy guys sitting on their ass.

Meanwhile, 4th on the list of welfare transfer payments are the unemployed living it up large on $32.50 a day... when a big mac meal is around $7.25.

Even in your country, 6 times more money is spent on welfare depedants who are old (i.e. retired from working) than those that are young (too young to work). One would presume the elderly have provisioned for themselves now. Tax receipts are foregone in deductibles to maintain the already lfeistyles of the rich. The same who use their own rationalisation hamster to preach their exceptionalism.

There can be times when people of either end of the socio-economic divide have too much claim to generated wealth. Historically when it is the low end, the price of consumer ietms blow out, and they all chase insufficient goods. When the high end has too much claim, we tend to see asset prices blow out, equities, property, etc as they tend to chase an increasing proportion of economic rents.

Guess which has occured in every financial crisis since the 1970's. Yes, it is the entitlement of the rich.

[Brian]

Unemployment doesnt both me that much because i think its a necessity. its the long time welfare recipients who have no inclination to work because they dont need to. if you factor in what they get in medicare, housing, food, and whatever other benefits they incur, and compare that to the after tax take home pay of someone busting their ass for 25k a year often times the person who doesnt work, gets free shit, and doesnt pay taxes ends up ahead.

[T and A Man]

Quote:

its the long time welfare recipients who have no inclination to work because they dont need to

Ever calcluated NAIRU policies into this equation?

[The_CEO]

(04-18-2012 09:59 PM)Brian Wrote:  

Unemployment doesnt both me that much because i think its a necessity. its the long time welfare recipients who have no inclination to work because they dont need to. if you factor in what they get in medicare, housing, food, and whatever other benefits they incur, and compare that to the after tax take home pay of someone busting their ass for 25k a year often times the person who doesnt work, gets free shit, and doesnt pay taxes ends up ahead.

Medicare is for retirees. I.e. people who retired after a lifetime of work, and through that work, paid for it. As usual you don't know what you're talking about and cannot name one living example of this non-existent person living off of free-sh*t who you keep referring to. You should find them and let us know when you do.

[finton_the_toole]

(04-18-2012 08:17 PM)Lukey Wrote:  

I'm sorry but that is complete bullshit. I agree with your comments that Aussie women are far from feminine, however as P Dog said, Melbourne is hardly a town. Hell, even Perth has a population of 2 million.

Furthermore, the 'boys' on Oxford st are gay, hence the girliness. Australian men are by and large far more bigger, stronger, masculine and alpha than Swedes

It's not the apparent size of the population that makes a place a 'town' or a 'city'. If you don't understand this, then you need to go travel some more and have a look at many more places, until you do.

As for Swedish men, I couldn't possibly comment.

[Lukey]

(04-19-2012 03:04 AM)finton_the_toole Wrote:  

It's not the apparent size of the population that makes a place a 'town' or a 'city'. If you don't understand this, then you need to go travel some more and have a look at many more places, until you do.

As for Swedish men, I couldn't possibly comment.

You are partially correct as a city/town/village/shire is subjectively defined by its people and culture. I have been to many cities in many countries to appreciate this. However, you obviously have no idea about Melbourne and various other cities in Australia if that is your opinion.

I am also surprised you cannot comment on Swedish men seeing as you state your home country as being Sweden.

[finton_the_toole]

(04-19-2012 03:13 AM)Lukey Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:04 AM)finton_the_toole Wrote:  

It's not the apparent size of the population that makes a place a 'town' or a 'city'. If you don't understand this, then you need to go travel some more and have a look at many more places, until you do.

As for Swedish men, I couldn't possibly comment.

You are partially correct as a city/town/village/shire is subjectively defined by its people and culture. I have been to many cities in many countries to appreciate this. However, you obviously have no idea about Melbourne and various other cities in Australia if that is your opinion.

I am also surprised you cannot comment on Swedish men seeing as you state your home country as being Sweden.

One funny thing about Australians is how defensive they get as soon as someone says anything negative about the place. It's as if they've bought into the lies about it being the promised land, and even the slightest criticism threatens to bring down their carefully constructed delusion.

FWIW, I have no stake in this scrapping, so I'm bowing out.

[Deluge]

(04-19-2012 04:18 AM)finton_the_toole Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:13 AM)Lukey Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:04 AM)finton_the_toole Wrote:  

It's not the apparent size of the population that makes a place a 'town' or a 'city'. If you don't understand this, then you need to go travel some more and have a look at many more places, until you do.

As for Swedish men, I couldn't possibly comment.

You are partially correct as a city/town/village/shire is subjectively defined by its people and culture. I have been to many cities in many countries to appreciate this. However, you obviously have no idea about Melbourne and various other cities in Australia if that is your opinion.

I am also surprised you cannot comment on Swedish men seeing as you state your home country as being Sweden.

One funny thing about Australians is how defensive they get as soon as someone says anything negative about the place. It's as if they've bought into the lies about it being the promised land, and even the slightest criticism threatens to bring down their carefully constructed delusion.

FWIW, I have no stake in this scrapping, so I'm bowing out.

I was dissing Australia for being the fattest country in the world in another thread yesterday or the day before. I'm pretty objective about my country and my city. Why else would I congratulate Harry on deciding to leave?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_city Hit Crtl+F and search Melbourne. Each study has them in the same categories as Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, Philadelphia etc. Completely objective viewpoint.

[Brian]

(04-18-2012 11:15 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 09:59 PM)Brian Wrote:  

Unemployment doesnt both me that much because i think its a necessity. its the long time welfare recipients who have no inclination to work because they dont need to. if you factor in what they get in medicare, housing, food, and whatever other benefits they incur, and compare that to the after tax take home pay of someone busting their ass for 25k a year often times the person who doesnt work, gets free shit, and doesnt pay taxes ends up ahead.

Medicare is for retirees. I.e. people who retired after a lifetime of work, and through that work, paid for it. As usual you don't know what you're talking about and cannot name one living example of this non-existent person living off of free-sh*t who you keep referring to. You should find them and let us know when you do.

um, yeah, come to DC. or any 'urban area.' no one in DC lives off welfare. sure.

[Aliblahba]

Wow. And here I am trying to immigrate to Aussie. That warm fuzzy feeling is quickly slipping away.

[kosko]

(04-18-2012 12:38 AM)torontokid Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 11:21 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 10:24 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Rudebow,
Funny you mentioned that a lot of people would do anything to have a chance of living in Canada, US, UK, OZ, NZ and that's the main argument I'm getting from those too brainwashed and too mainstream is that how come people in those so called developping country are coming in droves to here and those not here yet are ready to do everything to get here? LOL I guess you'd have to have actually been to these places to really understand the reason, which is a futile waste of time discussing or arguing with the mainstream, politically correct "beta" crowd. Speaking of which, that's another huge pet peeve of mine, the PC crowd and PC control. I rejoice each time I speak my mind and they are left speechless with what they just heard....LOL

VP,
The Brainwashing is very bad here, the media keeps shoving down our throats about Canada being the best country or in the top ten.
I told a couple of friends I am leaving several times, yet they cannot understand or fathom what I am saying.
At work, there are a few new guys that have been in Canada a short while. I ask them there thoughts about the place and the answers are always luke warm, never overjoyed. Shit, I knew one girl who went back to India to live.lol
It is funny reading Harry's comments about OZ, alot of similarities with Canada.

Having a Canadian citizenship is very valuable.

Why?

Because Canada is one of the most stable places in the world. Large fresh water sources, no hurricanes and very little severe weather(other than winter storms). Politically its extremely stable. High Standards of living too.

Thats why people immigrate here, a Canadian passport is a solid long term investment. After you have the Canadian passport it doesn't matter where you spend most of your time(SEA or SA). It also allows for easier travel throughout the world and easier immigration to other countries.

I sure as hell wouldn't raise a family here, but eventually getting a Canadian passport will be of far more comfort to me. Trust me, Canada beats India any day.

Also remember that Toronto is a bad representation of Canada. Its one of the most politically correct, feminist infested cities in the world.

I used to drink that kool aid too when I was your age. I viewed Canada as a beacon of stability and laughed at my American friends and family whom I viewed as swirling in a toilet bowl. Then it hit me..... We have it worse then Americans long term.

Canada has only been a legitimate nation for less than 40 years. And has little to know control over its abundance of natural resources. Remember Mulroney? He sold us out for pennies to the Americans and nearly bankrupted our Government. Remember our Queen? yes she's still around. She doesn't bother to care much about us and comes here every 8 years to smell some flowers but she still largely has dominate holding interest on 85% of Canada's land . Remember the USA? are brothers to the South?. They have been the only nation whom has tried to invade us and now largely hold economic, political, and military power over us. America has wanted to carve up Canada since its inception, they largely dominate all sectors of a nation now and hold controlling interest on most areas. We are essentially a satellite state to America like a EE nation was to the USSR. So if America dips.. so do we. Only that we get it twice as worse.

I used to think all those things you said but then I woke up from my dream and realized Canada is just as bleak as any other western nation.

Canada's biggest issue is that one of its positive points. Its stability causes Canada to remain static. For a nation as rich as ours which is only 3% inhabited with such a small population we are some of laziest and unproductive in the G8, and talking in relativity to how rich are nation is we see little to know benefits from are spoils. We are a major oil producer but yet still must ship 80% of our oil to America. Anything East of Toronto has to import oil from the Middle East because America won't allow us to built a true trans-Canada pipeline system. This needlessly wastes tons of our money each year because of petty power and politics.

Canada used to have elite top funded healthcare, cheap post secondary education, and a vibrant research sector that made super-sonic jets, fiber optics, nano-tech, stem cells, and space robotics. Now we just make 2nd rate American stuff like 'Canadian Idol', or hockey players, and shitty beer (America got the best micro-brews right now in North America). We built the first retractable roof stadium (twice), and the largest structure in the world.

Canada had a good 15-20 year run until it was sold off for scrap.

I am selling Canada. there is more opportunity in the States right now. Real talk. More money to be made down there if you know your shit.

I rag on America on this forum but Canada is a even bigger joke than the USA is because Canada is 2nd rate version of it.

Just like overseas western propaganda sells America or other places as beacons of wealth and upward mobility it is largely a fraud. In Canada our propaganda we are reminded how shitty America is and how much better we are than them but the reality is we are dependent on America. America does not need us but we need them, this is that our media fails to hammer in.

Canada and OZ share a lot in common and both are jokes in the grande scheme of things.

[T and A Man]

(04-19-2012 08:26 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Wow. And here I am trying to immigrate to Aussie. That warm fuzzy feeling is quickly slipping away.

I myself am looking to emmigrate, for the same reason there is an ingrained sense of entitlement. I would dispute vehemently (other than feminists) which class of people are beneficiaries of the wealth transfers.

I've even stated in other Aussie threads, it is currently a great place for work, even more so in the comparitive economic environment, but in regards to life (i.e. outside of work), spend it anywhere else but here.

FIFO out of Bali or Thailand if you can.
Don't holiday in Australia.
Do not get an Aussie gf or wife.

But do get a job in Australia.

[Saladin]

I'm comparing Canada with India not the USA. Just saying that most western countries are much better places to live in compared to certain places like India.

I do agree with a lot of what you said. Canada is America's bitch in a way.