[Moma]

(04-08-2012 12:15 PM)Perseus Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 12:05 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 11:14 AM)Perseus Wrote:  

Kosko, black guys in Toronto do amazing! my best friend is this huge black guy, and i swear you'll see chicks touching him/flirting with him left and right when he's on the dance floor, and the guy is not like muscular/cut or anything. Unfortunately he's not a beta, but more of an Omega, super nice, apologetic, low tone of voice, terrible body language, etc.

Hostel bar is smaller than my bathroom, and the weird thing is that it is usually packed with irish guys who are extremely easy to befriend, and either naturally have some game or they might've read game. They're your best bet if you go there solo, and from there scout for broads.

Utter nonsense.

Ok. You're entitled to your opinion.

That is not opinion, it's a fact. I can concur with that. I have lived in Toronto for an amount of years and black guys don't do great here. I don't see any group here making a killing. You need a specific look and a specific mentality. Did you see your friend fcuk? An orbit of attention whores flirting with guys doesn't mean shyt.

I could write a book on Toronto and it definitely won't have a theme anywhere near the fact that black guys kill here. They do not and I dare anyone to prove me otherwise.

P.S. I eat here (chop lizards) but it's not walk in the park.

[DjembaDjemba]

Nobody really kills in Toronto, but relatively speaking it's not a bad place for brothers. Lot of white guys don't get love either.

The Toronto scene is about subcultures and social groupings. The "Hipsters", the "Rockers - subset of hipsters", the Yuppies, etc. Once you know your grouping you prowl through that subset. Outsiders can have great difficulty penetrating the scene, but the same can be said for white male outsiders.

I can name off one hand plenty of whites, asians, and Latinos (which there isn't many of) who come from out of town and struggle, and bitch and complain that there's something wrong with the city.

If you want prime rib pussy having your shit in order is always priority number one. A good steady income, sharp dress style, looks, and a respectable spot downtown, preferably a condo, bachelor will suffice.

In my experience, ONS are difficult for brothers (I'm mixed race, but black enough). You may nee to do a date, maybe two.

But at the end you will get pussy and it will be good quality pussy. And it will be good quality pussy that has a good job and might just pay for your next round of drinks or meals.

But with all that said, the effort required to bag lizards here compared Canadian cities is significant. In smaller towns and mid sized cities it's still far easier.

PS: And be prepared to be in debt! Everyone in Toronto in the 20-30s is knee deep in it. Lizards will talk about their student loans till you fall asleep. I usually like to hit the clubs around tax returns time as lizards are down to party hardest then.

[Perseus]

(04-08-2012 12:21 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 12:15 PM)Perseus Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 12:05 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 11:14 AM)Perseus Wrote:  

Kosko, black guys in Toronto do amazing! my best friend is this huge black guy, and i swear you'll see chicks touching him/flirting with him left and right when he's on the dance floor, and the guy is not like muscular/cut or anything. Unfortunately he's not a beta, but more of an Omega, super nice, apologetic, low tone of voice, terrible body language, etc.

Hostel bar is smaller than my bathroom, and the weird thing is that it is usually packed with irish guys who are extremely easy to befriend, and either naturally have some game or they might've read game. They're your best bet if you go there solo, and from there scout for broads.

Utter nonsense.

Ok. You're entitled to your opinion.

That is not opinion, it's a fact. I can concur with that. I have lived in Toronto for an amount of years and black guys don't do great here. I don't see any group here making a killing. You need a specific look and a specific mentality. Did you see your friend fcuk? An orbit of attention whores flirting with guys doesn't mean shyt.

I could write a book on Toronto and it definitely won't have a theme anywhere near the fact that black guys kill here. They do not and I dare anyone to prove me otherwise.

P.S. I eat here (chop lizards) but it's not walk in the park.

I still stand by my observations/OPINION about my friend. No i have not seen him fuck, as i mentioned clearly in my earlier comment that although he gets mad IOIs, he's worse than a beta.

You might be "eating/chopping" lizards here, but so do i, and i agree with you 100%, it's hell here for anyone.

P.S: I grew up in Toronto since i was 5 years old, so don't mistake me for an outta-towner.

[Perseus]

(04-08-2012 12:35 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

The Toronto scene is about subcultures and social groupings. The "Hipsters", the "Rockers - subset of hipsters", the Yuppies, etc. Once you know your grouping you prowl through that subset. Outsiders can have great difficulty penetrating the scene, but the same can be said for white male outsiders.

You nailed it.

(04-08-2012 12:35 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

If you want prime rib pussy having your shit in order is always priority number one. A good steady income, sharp dress style, looks, and a respectable spot downtown, preferably a condo, bachelor will suffice.

Let's face it, who among us in their early 20s has all that? unless you have a trust fund/rich as fuck parents....

(04-08-2012 12:35 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

In my experience, ONS are difficult for brothers (I'm mixed race, but black enough). You may nee to do a date, maybe two.

Agreed, checkout downtown around 2am (closing time), you'll see groups of guys going home alone, and similarly groups of girls hustling a cab driver for a ride home.

(04-08-2012 12:35 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

PS: And be prepared to be in debt! Everyone in Toronto in the 20-30s is knee deep in it. Lizards will talk about their student loans till you fall asleep. I usually like to hit the clubs around tax returns time as lizards are down to party hardest then.

haha so true.

[kosko]

I see a lot of brothers dating down here. A lot of decent looking brothers with trolls on their arms in public. There are a few exceptions but most of the time its ...wamp.. wamp.

Yea the pickings are way lighter for brothers here. I wonder why it is so? Is it that we are old news (the 90's was our hay day). Or is it just the dynamics we are dealt with?

A good tool is to pick up any type of self-absorbed hobby you can gloat about to women. I am a modest and humble guy and never talk up my music as much as I should. I give Toronto kats credit because even if they are strait wack with whatever craft they do they have their self-promotion locked down quite well. Toronto people are great at selling them selves and the sizzle even if the steak is terrible (and also are notorious at under valuing people with real talent). I am really hoping to get my music fixed up this summer and use it as bait. I remember Roosh talking about this in a blog post and how he was a DJ in DC for a while also.

[Perseus]

(04-08-2012 12:55 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I see a lot of brothers dating down here. A lot of decent looking brothers with trolls on their arms in public. There are a few exceptions but most of the time its ...wamp.. wamp.

Yea the pickings are way lighter for brothers here. I wonder why it is so? Is it that we are old news (the 90's was our hay day). Or is it just the dynamics we are dealt with?

A good tool is to pick up any type of self-absorbed hobby you can gloat about to women. I am a modest and humble guy and never talk up my music as much as I should. I give Toronto kats credit because even if they are strait wack with whatever craft they do they have their self-promotion locked down quite well. Toronto people are great at selling them selves and the sizzle even if the steak is terrible (and also are notorious at under valuing people with real talent). I am really hoping to get my music fixed up this summer and use it as bait. I remember Roosh talking about this in a blog post and how he was a DJ in DC for a while also.

Hope don't leave Toronto to DJ in DC

[Indefatigable]

(04-08-2012 12:41 PM)Perseus Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 12:21 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 12:15 PM)Perseus Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 12:05 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 11:14 AM)Perseus Wrote:  

Kosko, black guys in Toronto do amazing! my best friend is this huge black guy, and i swear you'll see chicks touching him/flirting with him left and right when he's on the dance floor, and the guy is not like muscular/cut or anything. Unfortunately he's not a beta, but more of an Omega, super nice, apologetic, low tone of voice, terrible body language, etc.

Hostel bar is smaller than my bathroom, and the weird thing is that it is usually packed with irish guys who are extremely easy to befriend, and either naturally have some game or they might've read game. They're your best bet if you go there solo, and from there scout for broads.

Utter nonsense.

Ok. You're entitled to your opinion.

That is not opinion, it's a fact. I can concur with that. I have lived in Toronto for an amount of years and black guys don't do great here. I don't see any group here making a killing. You need a specific look and a specific mentality. Did you see your friend fcuk? An orbit of attention whores flirting with guys doesn't mean shyt.

I could write a book on Toronto and it definitely won't have a theme anywhere near the fact that black guys kill here. They do not and I dare anyone to prove me otherwise.

P.S. I eat here (chop lizards) but it's not walk in the park.

I still stand by my observations/OPINION about my friend. No i have not seen him fuck, as i mentioned clearly in my earlier comment that although he gets mad IOIs, he's worse than a beta.

You might be "eating/chopping" lizards here, but so do i, and i agree with you 100%, it's hell here for anyone.

P.S: I grew up in Toronto since i was 5 years old, so don't mistake me for an outta-towner.

OK, here is what you don't understand. Just because your friends gets a lot of attention doesn't mean that black guys kill it here. I really doubt your friend gets more attention than me (I'm black). But I'm not going to let that mislead me about how brothers do here.

So I'm not saying that no black guys do well here; I'm saying that being black is a distinct disadvantage (even with many, if not most, black women), but individual guys can have characteristics (looks especially) that make them do OK or well. But make no mistake, the average black guy here is struggling. (By the way, a disproportionate number of the guys on this forum who complain about Toronto are black.)

[kosko]

(04-08-2012 12:35 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

The Toronto scene is about subcultures and social groupings. The "Hipsters", the "Rockers - subset of hipsters", the Yuppies, etc. Once you know your grouping you prowl through that subset. Outsiders can have great difficulty penetrating the scene, but the same can be said for white male outsiders.

Yes there is truth to this but you eventually end up in a trap. See Toronto is not really all that big. Aside from the forgetful faces that stream in from the suburbs you really get a good idea whom the "usual suspects" are in steady time. I found that once you find a sub-group and the connected social circles you eventually get boxed in. The women are dominate in the circles and reputations matter more to them then dick. I burned mad bridges because I was fucking around in sub-sets not really giving a fuck (this is in my honeymoon period). Even thought the women showed me interest still they all eventually stone-walled the pussy from me. I bounced. They (females) set the rules in those groups, dudes can get by bringing in new meat but eventually those girls get rooted out or absorbed in and again.. you get stone walled. Plus you have to keep up with the Jonesses like females. The "high status" dudes that I do know are twitter whores and are constantly on their phones like women, having to keep up with non-sense and gossip of the scene. The only dudes whom are truly free are the dudes whom are doing really big things but even that none of them are cleaning house on the women front and just have some nice decent girls on their arms. I found it was to much effort to put in for people I did not give a fuck about lol.

(04-08-2012 12:35 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

If you want prime rib pussy having your shit in order is always priority number one. A good steady income, sharp dress style, looks, and a respectable spot downtown, preferably a condo, bachelor will suffice.

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PS: And be prepared to be in debt! Everyone in Toronto in the 20-30s is knee deep in it. Lizards will talk about their student loans till you fall asleep. I usually like to hit the clubs around tax returns time as lizards are down to party hardest then.

A spot Downtown helps a lot. Logistics burn me so much since I live on the Eastern Side of DT and I can't really bring broads back to my spot in general. But I don;t agree with the other stuff eternally. I can pick up women in the City in my shitty Chuck Taylors and a 15$ shirt I got on sale from H&M. Going for the 'Trifecta' of clothes-condo-cash/car just makes you live every other dude I find. Proof of this is the one time I went to Bloke and 4th solo and the dude I befriended at the bar was rolling in cash and had a 700$ Bar tab. End of the night he ain't get shit and I at least got a makeout while only dropping $28 bucks.

Yonge and Eglinton is full of 32-35 year old balding Men whom we're duped into thinking Women would fuck them if they got these things. It does not hurt to have these tools but I don't think bangs are dependent on them. Because once you do get those tools you just get a bunch of broads whom cling on you to use you for shit "oh lets go pre-drink and kosko Condo... let kosko come and pick me up" etc. Maybe this broad will suck you off once or some shit or let you fuck her once but they string dudes along using them for all types of shit - I ain't trying to be that.

I have learned that just having a pad in a prime location (off King W, Queen W, College, Ossignton, Bloor) is the biggest help because in crunch time if you can toss a stone to your pad she will be down. I learned this from to Australians whom were living in TO for like 6months they had a pad off College and just rolled out to the bars there acted a fool and pulled the party back to their crib. But the drawback of this is that those streets I listed are some of the priceiest in town. You will pay top dollar to live in moldy basement off those streets. I remember one broad whom I weaseled my way back to her spot and was shocked she lived in a shitty basement off Ossignton with a mattress on the concrete floor and a shower that didn't even work. She was paying $850 for that dump. But if your smart about and the area you can do it up well (Parkdale is still kinda of cheap and mad broads live there).


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In regards to debt. Yes Toronto people are terrible with money. I have adopted this habit also and I need to get back to my stingy African ways because its not worth it long term. You eventually get in that trap where you get sucked into debt to remain in TO, or your money situation is so fucked that you CAN'T LEAVE TO, or your money situation is crapped out and you have to leave TO and live in fuking Milton or Barrie or leave the GTA all together (If you did indeed want to stay).



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Another tip which kind of just hit me is that for the first while when I lived here I really tried not to become a "TO guy" and adopt the culture of being a Torontonian. eventually things naturally become absorbed and now I wonder if my appeal was lost when I was the "new" kid whom was like a alien since I acted so differently from Toronto people. I find myself doing, saying, and acting out in typical Toronto good fashion. I wonder if the broads can smell this on a dude.

[kosko]

(04-08-2012 01:00 PM)Perseus Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 12:55 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I see a lot of brothers dating down here. A lot of decent looking brothers with trolls on their arms in public. There are a few exceptions but most of the time its ...wamp.. wamp.

Yea the pickings are way lighter for brothers here. I wonder why it is so? Is it that we are old news (the 90's was our hay day). Or is it just the dynamics we are dealt with?

A good tool is to pick up any type of self-absorbed hobby you can gloat about to women. I am a modest and humble guy and never talk up my music as much as I should. I give Toronto kats credit because even if they are strait wack with whatever craft they do they have their self-promotion locked down quite well. Toronto people are great at selling them selves and the sizzle even if the steak is terrible (and also are notorious at under valuing people with real talent). I am really hoping to get my music fixed up this summer and use it as bait. I remember Roosh talking about this in a blog post and how he was a DJ in DC for a while also.

Hope don't leave Toronto to DJ in DC

haha I am actually spending a month in the DMV this summer. I will be able to finally see which City is worse.

[Perseus]

(04-08-2012 01:24 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 12:41 PM)Perseus Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 12:21 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 12:15 PM)Perseus Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 12:05 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

Utter nonsense.

Ok. You're entitled to your opinion.

That is not opinion, it's a fact. I can concur with that. I have lived in Toronto for an amount of years and black guys don't do great here. I don't see any group here making a killing. You need a specific look and a specific mentality. Did you see your friend fcuk? An orbit of attention whores flirting with guys doesn't mean shyt.

I could write a book on Toronto and it definitely won't have a theme anywhere near the fact that black guys kill here. They do not and I dare anyone to prove me otherwise.

P.S. I eat here (chop lizards) but it's not walk in the park.

I still stand by my observations/OPINION about my friend. No i have not seen him fuck, as i mentioned clearly in my earlier comment that although he gets mad IOIs, he's worse than a beta.

You might be "eating/chopping" lizards here, but so do i, and i agree with you 100%, it's hell here for anyone.

P.S: I grew up in Toronto since i was 5 years old, so don't mistake me for an outta-towner.

OK, here is what you don't understand. Just because your friends gets a lot of attention doesn't mean that black guys kill it here. I really doubt your friend gets more attention than me (I'm black). But I'm not going to let that mislead me about how brothers do here.

So I'm not saying that no black guys do well here; I'm saying that being black is a distinct disadvantage (even with many, if not most, black women), but individual guys can have characteristics (looks especially) that make them do OK or well. But make no mistake, the average black guy here is struggling. (By the way, a disproportionate number of the guys on this forum who complain about Toronto are black.)

I understand your point of view. Based on what i see on a daily basis, asian dudes have to struggle the most in Toronto when it comes to women.

(04-08-2012 12:35 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

Another tip which kind of just hit me is that for the first while when I lived here I really tried not to become a "TO guy" and adopt the culture of being a Torontonian. eventually things naturally become absorbed and now I wonder if my appeal was lost when I was the "new" kid whom was like a alien since I acted so differently from Toronto people. I find myself doing, saying, and acting out in typical Toronto good fashion. I wonder if the broads can smell this on a dude.

Interesting you mention that. Last summer i was hanging out every saturday at this bar DT, and every saturday i would see so many people from different countries there. I met dudes from Australia, England, Ireland, and none of them had any luck, except this one Australian dude, who was originally from Toronto, but moved to Australia and now he's back for a visit. He pulled a chick (4/5) who was mad wasted outta the bar.

I don't think having that "foreigner" status is a factor in play here.