[peterthephoenix]

This story gives me that heavy feeling in my stomach when I read it. Might be a troll, but not sure.

http://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_adv...eekend_of/

[Zampano]

Thanks for this. Now I remember why I learned game.

[germanico]

I feel so sorry for the guy. With stories like this, Im really thankful that I am who I am.

Even if he was trolling, there are plenty of stories like this everyday. I sometimes think we men should unite and fight back... but hey, those guys live in a hell of their own making.

Actually, guys like that are a necessity of society. Im just glad im not part of THAT 99%...

[FretDancer]

(03-24-2012 02:17 AM)germanico Wrote:  

I feel so sorry for the guy. With stories like this, Im really thankful that I am who I am.

Even if he was trolling, there are plenty of stories like this everyday. I sometimes think we men should unite and fight back... but hey, those guys live in a hell of their own making.

Actually, guys like that are a necessity of society. Im just glad im not part of THAT 99%...

Agreed, but 99% is way too exagerating, or is it...

Can't believe people living like that their whole lives, after I took the red pill I thought it was something every guy would do sooner or later in his life. But sometimes I guess that its not the case.

Let them be I say. Todo en la vida se paga.

[joehoya]

This is what happens when a dude is dating a chick he doesn't think he deserves. If he thought that he could pull another chick as hot as her easily he would NEVER even consider staying with her. However, since he doesn't think that he can do any better he is considering staying with her and RAISING SOME OTHER DUDE'S KID.

I don't give a fuck if the chick is a 10 and I am left fucking 5's for the rest of my life, I wouldn't not be able to stay, I have too much self respect. Better to be a 5's master than a 10's cuckold.

[Zampano]

(03-24-2012 02:41 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

I don't give a fuck if the chick is a 10 and I am left fucking 5's for the rest of my life, I wouldn't not be able to stay, I have too much self respect. Better to be a 5's master than a 10's cuckold.

This.

Better to acknowledge where you're at, build yourself back up, and go from there. None of that "I'm lucky just to tie her shoes" bullshit. Anybody can improve, learn game, whatever. Settling for that shit is not an option.

[germanico]

Yes, and in this case, the dude is paying a very high prize for being a pussy.

[WesternCancer]

Disgusting to read, but he brought it upon himself by being a total wuss. He basically says he wasn't fucking her properly. Red flag #1 "every girl got wet for him" that means she did too. I feel disgust for the guy more than the girl.

If its one thing I've learned by taking the "red pill" its that you can't blame a woman for cheating on you, you should be fucking her well enough and having her dependent on you so she isn't as tempted to go fuck some random dude. You should only be mad at yourself for not having her wrapped around your finger more and the other guy only if he knew about your relationship beforehand.

I also find it funny how every commenter is aghast at how this is the most horrific act they have ever heard of in their life. Most likely angry "beta" chumps who barely get laid. I seriously think they are more of a detriment to our lifestyle than fatties or feminists.

I also don't get how some commenters are saying "its not even like it was a drunken 1 night stand" that isn't forgivable either, shes still giving up the pussy to some random dude.

[joehoya]

(03-24-2012 03:10 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

Disgusting to read, but he brought it upon himself by being a total wuss. He basically says he wasn't fucking her properly...

This is actually a really good point. I find it astounding how many guys, including guys who study game, don't take the effort to learn how to dick a girl down the right way, and keep doing it throughout their relationship. Good sex skill, to me, is at least as important and strong game, unless all you want is a bunch of one night stands. If you dick a girl down right she will keep coming back for more.

I was fortunate enough to have several older women teach me stuff, and several young bi girls open to letting me experiment with them in bed. I have a couple of chicks that are with dudes like the guy in the reddit post who come by my place for some dick when their boyfriend is away.

Also, you don't need to have some gigantic cock to pleasure a woman.

[Timoteo]

I don't see why this would be a troll. There are tons of men that are in fear of a chick leaving them, or can't leave a chick because she's SO BEAUTIFUL. Also, he knows the answer to his question, but doesn't have the backbone to execute. She doesn't respect him, and never really will. Even though she's begging him to stay, at the same time she'll always be looking at him wondering how he could swallow everything she dropped on him. If they marry, she'll probably leave HIM eventually, and hit him up for child support on top of it.

As far as the sexual issues, he doesn't have it in him to do her the way this other guy did (and it's not just about dick size either). She loved being dominated and treated like a toy. This guy did extreme porn flick shit to her, the kind of thing "real" girls supposedly won't do (cum gobbling). He doesn't have it in him to dick her down like that. If he tried to now it wouldn't be genuine. They can't build a future together on a foundation of her guilt, and his anger and humiliation, with a kid in the middle of it all, and keeping a secret from the kid who its real father is. He needs to make job arrangements across the country. When they leave for work in the morning, he needs to double-back, pack his shit and bounce.

[j r]

That story reads like pron and it makes me doubt its validity. Even if its real, it represents a certain fetish. Look at the way the dude goes over the details. Why does he know that? Was he in the closet pleasuring himself? Or did he make his girlfriend recount every little detail? Nobody does that unless it's some guy who gets off on the idea of some other dude doing to his woman what he cannot do himself. The reddit post is just part of the fetish. He wants to be publicly humiliated.

[Timoteo]

(03-24-2012 04:12 PM)j r Wrote:  

That story reads like pron and it makes me doubt its validity. Even if its real, it represents a certain fetish. Look at the way the dude goes over the details. Why does he know that? Was he in the closet pleasuring himself? Or did he make his girlfriend recount every little detail? Nobody does that unless it's some guy who gets off on the idea of some other dude doing to his woman what he cannot do himself. The reddit post is just part of the fetish. He wants to be publicly humiliated.

He stated in the reddit post that he demanded she provide him with every little detail once she confessed that she was pregnant. He wanted to know exactly how it went down.

[durangotang]

Roissy posted this a while back at the Chateau. I absolutely love it, and it is one of the best things I have ever read. There are so many principles illustrated in this story it is fucking mind blowing; alpha versus beta, hypergamy, dominance and submission, the rough sex and her reaction to it, the alpha fling, keeping the alpha child, the insecure beta mindset and tone of the entire post, the female guilt and manipulation, the need for her of the beta provider.

It is like watching a grenade of human sexual nature explode in ultra slow motion and getting to see the fucking shrapnel destroy everything all at once, from the viewpoint of the guy getting blown up. After a while learning game you feel a bit like Neo in the Matrix, dodging that shit in slow mo.

Here is another link Roissy posted to a revoltingly beta Redditor comment (or be glad you have game):

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/commen...fe/c35hb5k

I like to reread these sometimes, just to remind myself of how bleak it is without understanding of game.

[durangotang]

Deleted...double posted somehow. Sorry.

[OGNorCal707]

(03-24-2012 03:59 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I don't see why this would be a troll. There are tons of men that are in fear of a chick leaving them, or can't leave a chick because she's SO BEAUTIFUL. Also, he knows the answer to his question, but doesn't have the backbone to execute. She doesn't respect him, and never really will. Even though she's begging him to stay, at the same time she'll always be looking at him wondering how he could swallow everything she dropped on him. If they marry, she'll probably leave HIM eventually, and hit him up for child support on top of it.

As far as the sexual issues, he doesn't have it in him to do her the way this other guy did (and it's not just about dick size either). She loved being dominated and treated like a toy. This guy did extreme porn flick shit to her, the kind of thing "real" girls supposedly won't do (cum gobbling). He doesn't have it in him to dick her down like that. If he tried to now it wouldn't be genuine. They can't build a future together on a foundation of her guilt, and his anger and humiliation, with a kid in the middle of it all, and keeping a secret from the kid who its real father is. He needs to make job arrangements across the country. When they leave for work in the morning, he needs to double-back, pack his shit and bounce.

Very well put, I think you broke this down very concisely.

I don't necessarily think this is a fake story, a lot of guys will put up with a lot of shit when they feel like they are "dating up", and are "lucky" to have their girl, and "will never do better".

In some ways I can kind of relate to the OP, as far as being a 7/10 and feeling lucky dating a 10/10. However, the amount of shit you have to put up with is not worth it, especially if they disrespect you, and I'm not even thinking on the level of what that guy experience.

The guy's chick almost sounds like she's got borderline personality disorder, lot's of the textbook traits (fear of abandonment, lying, hysterical behavior, love of dominant/rough sex, offering/willingness to take abuse). She probably cheated on him before, and was just a good liar, and since he was probably the "sensitive, trusting boyfriend" type and was genuinely in love and loyal to her, he believed her like a fool.

She most likely was very manipulative and deceptive, and had the guy wrapped around her little finger.

I think the whole situation is fucked. Basically the guy needs to cut his losses and move the fuck on. I can't feel any bit sorry for the guy if he were to stay with that chick, that's basically the most bitch move a guy could ever make.

Once a women like that cheats on you and plays you like that, she has lost all respect for you, and there's no way to turn it around. Eventually she will repeat the process.

[Gmac]

(03-24-2012 02:21 AM)FretDancer Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 02:17 AM)germanico Wrote:  

I feel so sorry for the guy. With stories like this, Im really thankful that I am who I am.

Even if he was trolling, there are plenty of stories like this everyday. I sometimes think we men should unite and fight back... but hey, those guys live in a hell of their own making.

Actually, guys like that are a necessity of society. Im just glad im not part of THAT 99%...

Can't believe people living like that their whole lives, after I took the red pill I thought it was something every guy would do sooner or later in his life. But sometimes I guess that its not the case.

I have another perspective. Most men aren't cut out for game or a life with the red pill. Mentally they can't handle it. The self-discipline and perseverance just isn't there (and never will be no matter how hard they want it - this is what those $3000 PUA camps don't tell you). It takes a special type of man to own his behavior & evolution and to see it through to the end. The majority of the guys I know just can't hack it when push comes to shove. They will talk all day long about who and what they want to be but don't have what it takes to make it happen. I have no sympathy.

[lurker123123]

(03-24-2012 03:30 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 03:10 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

Disgusting to read, but he brought it upon himself by being a total wuss. He basically says he wasn't fucking her properly...

This is actually a really good point. I find it astounding how many guys, including guys who study game, don't take the effort to learn how to dick a girl down the right way, and keep doing it throughout their relationship. Good sex skill, to me, is at least as important and strong game, unless all you want is a bunch of one night stands. If you dick a girl down right she will keep coming back for more.

I was fortunate enough to have several older women teach me stuff, and several young bi girls open to letting me experiment with them in bed. I have a couple of chicks that are with dudes like the guy in the reddit post who come by my place for some dick when their boyfriend is away.

Also, you don't need to have some gigantic cock to pleasure a woman.

what tips do you have?

[JoyStick]

(03-24-2012 09:18 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

I have another perspective. Most men aren't cut out for game or a life with the red pill. Mentally they can't handle it. The self-discipline and perseverance just isn't there (and never will be no matter how hard they want it - this is what those $3000 PUA camps don't tell you). It takes a special type of man to own his behavior & evolution and to see it through to the end. The majority of the guys I know just can't hack it when push comes to shove. They will talk all day long about who and what they want to be but don't have what it takes to make it happen. I have no sympathy.

that's a good point. the red pill are for go-getters. a lot of dudes are dreamers but isn't willing to put in the work.

[Excelsior]

(03-24-2012 10:31 PM)lurker123123 Wrote:  

what tips do you have?

Here is a thread we had here on the subject where quite a few guys shared their thoughts.

How to Become a Sex God: Resources and Ideas

[Swagger]

Major troll alert....this reads like the work of a cuckold fetishist. I can't imagine the girl would say that it's the best cock she has ever had, etc. etc. She could easily tell him everything that happened without shaming and leave out the details especially when he states that she feels so guilty for her actions. I cannot believe this troll post has over 200 comments.

[joehoya]

(03-24-2012 10:31 PM)lurker123123 Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 03:30 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 03:10 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

Disgusting to read, but he brought it upon himself by being a total wuss. He basically says he wasn't fucking her properly...

This is actually a really good point. I find it astounding how many guys, including guys who study game, don't take the effort to learn how to dick a girl down the right way, and keep doing it throughout their relationship. Good sex skill, to me, is at least as important and strong game, unless all you want is a bunch of one night stands. If you dick a girl down right she will keep coming back for more.

I was fortunate enough to have several older women teach me stuff, and several young bi girls open to letting me experiment with them in bed. I have a couple of chicks that are with dudes like the guy in the reddit post who come by my place for some dick when their boyfriend is away.

Also, you don't need to have some gigantic cock to pleasure a woman.

what tips do you have?

There are bunch of things you can do. Here are 5 tips:
1) Get in shape and build up your strength and endurance. The biggest complaint I hear from girls are about guys who just lay there and expect them to do all of the work. If you are strong and have a lot of endurance you can really be dominant with them.

2) Learn to eat pussy well (there are several books and instructional videos on this). Another big issue I hear about from women is how few guys know how to eat pussy. Pussy eating is my specialty, so I never had a problem with it. However, a bi girl I knew took my pussy eating to the next level by teaching me how to mix it with G-spot and anal stimulation.

She is also the one that got me into tossing a chick's salad. Yeah, I know that there are a bunch of dudes on this board that would NEVER lick a girl's asshole, but let me tell you, if you do it right and mix it with good vaginal stimulation to give her an orgasm it will be like she smoked crack for the first time. Chicks get hooked on that shit. This is a great move especially after doing number 4.

4) Shower together. I love showering with a girl because I make sure her areas are clean AND showering really stimulates the skin and makes it extra sensitive. As you (hopefully) know, the skin is the largest organ in the body. It is also the largest sexual organ. The shower is EXCELLENT foreplay.

5) Learn massage. Your best bet is to go to a formal massage course. Many schools have 1 hour to 1 week long courses for folks who don't plan on being professionals. Getting FORMAL massage training is a KILLER KILLER KILLER fucking move. Just a little training will put you ahead of 99% of the other dudes out there trying to give massages.

The power of massage is huge. First, it gets her comfortable with you touching her AND she begins to trust that you can give her pleasure. Second, by getting the blood flowing in the body, a good massage DRAMATICALLY increases the likelihood and intensity of orgasms. Third, massage releases a ton of endorphins and oxytocin into the blood stream, both of which enhance the sexual experience.

Fourth, it just gives you more confidence with (and knowledge of) a woman's body. On MULTIPLE occasions I have been able to feel when a woman is nervous and tensing up. Even though it is psychological, her body is giving a physical response by tensing certain areas of her body. My go to move is to slow down, give her a massage, and release all of the tension in those areas. After that, they become super horny and REALLY want to get fucked.

[Timoteo]

(03-24-2012 11:26 PM)joehoya Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 10:31 PM)lurker123123 Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 03:30 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 03:10 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

Disgusting to read, but he brought it upon himself by being a total wuss. He basically says he wasn't fucking her properly...

This is actually a really good point. I find it astounding how many guys, including guys who study game, don't take the effort to learn how to dick a girl down the right way, and keep doing it throughout their relationship. Good sex skill, to me, is at least as important and strong game, unless all you want is a bunch of one night stands. If you dick a girl down right she will keep coming back for more.

I was fortunate enough to have several older women teach me stuff, and several young bi girls open to letting me experiment with them in bed. I have a couple of chicks that are with dudes like the guy in the reddit post who come by my place for some dick when their boyfriend is away.

Also, you don't need to have some gigantic cock to pleasure a woman.

what tips do you have?

There are bunch of things you can do. Here are 5 tips:
1) Get in shape and build up your strength and endurance. The biggest complaint I hear from girls are about guys who just lay there and expect them to do all of the work. If you are strong and have a lot of endurance you can really be dominant with them.

2) Learn to eat pussy well (there are several books and instructional videos on this). Another big issue I hear about from women is how few guys know how to eat pussy. Pussy eating is my specialty, so I never had a problem with it. However, a bi girl I knew took my pussy eating to the next level by teaching me how to mix it with G-spot and anal stimulation.

She is also the one that got me into tossing a chick's salad. Yeah, I know that there are a bunch of dudes on this board that would NEVER lick a girl's asshole, but let me tell you, if you do it right and mix it with good vaginal stimulation to give her an orgasm it will be like she smoked crack for the first time. Chicks get hooked on that shit. This is a great move especially after doing number 4.

4) Shower together. I love showering with a girl because I make sure her areas are clean AND showering really stimulates the skin and makes it extra sensitive. As you (hopefully) know, the skin is the largest organ in the body. It is also the largest sexual organ. The shower is EXCELLENT foreplay.

5) Learn massage. Your best bet is to go to a formal massage course. Many schools have 1 hour to 1 week long courses for folks who don't plan on being professionals. Getting FORMAL massage training is a KILLER KILLER KILLER fucking move. Just a little training will put you ahead of 99% of the other dudes out there trying to give massages.

The power of massage is huge. First, it gets her comfortable with you touching her AND she begins to trust that you can give her pleasure. Second, by getting the blood flowing in the body, a good massage DRAMATICALLY increases the likelihood and intensity of orgasms. Third, massage releases a ton of endorphins and oxytocin into the blood stream, both of which enhance the sexual experience.

Fourth, it just gives you more confidence with (and knowledge of) a woman's body. On MULTIPLE occasions I have been able to feel when a woman is nervous and tensing up. Even though it is psychological, her body is giving a physical response by tensing certain areas of her body. My go to move is to slow down, give her a massage, and release all of the tension in those areas. After that, they become super horny and REALLY want to get fucked.

1) You're 100% right about us as men being physically able to smash until she's begging YOU to stop, but my personal experience has been the opposite - very few chicks really FUCKED me. They've laid there for the most part, and I'VE done the work.

2) I agree. I've always gone down on any chick I've been with regularly. At the same time, I've had some that never reciprocated. Or initiated. I think that's why many guys won't. Or they "fake chow" like that dude in "Hall Pass" HA HA!

3) I don't toss salad, but I am aware of how stimulating it is. I've taken some lube and rubbed around the asshole and applied some pressure, making her think I'm going to push a finger in, but stop short penetrating. It still drives 'em crazy.

4) Showering with chicks is my specialty. I do this with all of them. Yes, it's foreplay, or just plain play. I just like how the body titties feel when they're all soaped up and slippery. It's a way of personally knowing it's all clean, and it's a great place to engage in more oral. I've done it with chicks in their 30s who said, "I've never done that with a guy before." Shocking. Dudes need to step up on this one.

5) I've never done a class, but I've maybe read an article or two. I'm a hands guy in general with women - I've been told by more than one chick that I have "busy" hands. They love it. I'm a baby oil fiend, and I love squirting and dripping that shit on chicks and just getting hands-on. That can also be your opportunity to get them in the shower to wash it all off.

[lurker123123]

+1 joehoya thank you. and thanks for the link athlone

[Gmac]

(03-24-2012 05:34 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

Roissy posted this a while back at the Chateau. I absolutely love it, and it is one of the best things I have ever read. There are so many principles illustrated in this story it is fucking mind blowing; alpha versus beta, hypergamy, dominance and submission, the rough sex and her reaction to it, the alpha fling, keeping the alpha child, the insecure beta mindset and tone of the entire post, the female guilt and manipulation, the need for her of the beta provider.

It is like watching a grenade of human sexual nature explode in ultra slow motion and getting to see the fucking shrapnel destroy everything all at once, from the viewpoint of the guy getting blown up. After a while learning game you feel a bit like Neo in the Matrix, dodging that shit in slow mo.

Here is another link Roissy posted to a revoltingly beta Redditor comment (or be glad you have game):

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/commen...fe/c35hb5k

I like to reread these sometimes, just to remind myself of how bleak it is without understanding of game.

[Basil Ransom]

Joehoya, quality post. I am definitely going to look into a massage class - this was at the back of my mind past couple weeks, time to make it reality.



BTW, a girl putting a finger in *your* ass, just around the rim really, feels amazing. Had it done first time a couple weeks ago, she volunteered it. Great for while you're slamming her in missionary.