[scorpio]

I initially thought the post was trollish, and part of me thinks it still may be.

What chick goes into gory details about how she fucked another dude using superlatives that would hurt her guy and endanger her marriage?

Then I realized that they all would do it if they knew they could get away with it.

That I know of, I've had a girl cheat on me when we were clearly on the outs. But she denied it and went out of her way to hide it. Then again, I realized that how I roll with chicks is completely different than how most guys relate to them. Therefore, what is true for me is not true for most guys.

I then thought about all the cunts I've had to can in the initial get-to-know-you stage. Would they be capable of this type of cruelty and humiliation? Most definitely.

In sum, think of all the guys who readily let their girls fuck another dude just to save the marriage/relationship at the expense of their self-esteem.

[Blaze Frazier]

Is it wrong that I got turned on reading those descriptions? Just kidding. This is awful. If true, that guy needs to get out pronto. No reason to put up with that shit.

[durangotang]

If done properly and sparingly, I am sure the massage tip works wonders. Same thing with eating pussy. The problem is these things are both acts of submission where the woman is on the pedestal. I have a friend who once had to give a long massage to his girl in order to get sex. He thought this was a fair exchange somehow. The relationship didn't work out, and resulted in him being very unhappy and seeking therapy. As much as I enjoy eating pussy with the right girl, I wouldn't make a habit of it for the same reason.

[joehoya]

(03-25-2012 08:10 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

If done properly and sparingly, I am sure the massage tip works wonders. Same thing with eating pussy. The problem is these things are both acts of submission where the woman is on the pedestal. I have a friend who once had to give a long massage to his girl in order to get sex. He thought this was a fair exchange somehow. The relationship didn't work out, and resulted in him being very unhappy and seeking therapy. As much as I enjoy eating pussy with the right girl, I wouldn't make a habit of it for the same reason.

It all has to do with mindset. If you think of it as an exchange or supplication then that is how it will be perceived by the girl. I know a guy with ZERO game (perhaps even negative game). He is a massage therapist. He became one solely to bang girls, particularly the ones he was in the friendzone with. However, because he has no game and cannot establish an alpha/dominant position with these women, the end result is that he has a huge number of beautiful female friends that he gives free massages to and STILL DOESN'T GET LAID. They just come over, get a massage, share all of their problems with him, and leave.

My mindset is that I am in control of this woman's pleasure. I can make her feel things in ways she has never felt them before. I DECIDE whether she gets her little gift today. I also KNOW that she can't get this somewhere else, or she wouldn't keep coming back for more. She wouldn't be sneaking around her boyfriend's back to fuck me if he were fucking her right. She wouldn't be so willing to try anal sex when she had refused it to every other previous guy she was with.

Now, if she is being a good little girl she gets a treat. If she is being bitchy, giving shit tests, whatever, she gets nothing. It is not that I don't go down with her or I don't give her a massage. I don't have sex with her, period.

Rejecting a woman's sexual advances after she has behaved poorly is an extreme mindfuck for them. Women know that no matter how poorly they behave, the moment they consent to sex 99.99% of guys will ignore the previous insults and bad behavior for a little pussy. When you reject her you have completely devalued the one thing that she has always believed was most valuable to men, her pussy.

When women get put in this position they have no idea what to do and usually get desperate. Withholding sex has been a rare occurrence for me, but when it has happened, I have had women do some interesting things to get back into my good graces, including:
1) Buying me a sweater
2) Making a huge multi-course meal for me
3) (a little scary) getting the landlord of my apartment building to let her in and completely cleaning my apartment while I was at work (floors,bathroom, and all)

I have come to the conclusion that women naturally want to submit. However, submitting to someone that they feel is unworthy devalues them. When you demonstrate that you don't value her pussy as much as most other guys do it dramatically raises your own value in her eyes and she become ready willing and eager to submit to you.

[oldnemesis]

(03-24-2012 05:34 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

Roissy posted this a while back at the Chateau. I absolutely love it, and it is one of the best things I have ever read. There are so many principles illustrated in this story it is fucking mind blowing; alpha versus beta, hypergamy, dominance and submission, the rough sex and her reaction to it, the alpha fling, keeping the alpha child, the insecure beta mindset and tone of the entire post, the female guilt and manipulation, the need for her of the beta provider.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone like roissy made this whole thing up.

You actually summarized it pretty well - someone put a lot of effort to make it look like a "perfect case". But such perfect cases just do not exist, and this is where it screwed up.

[oldnemesis]

(03-24-2012 09:18 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

I have another perspective. Most men aren't cut out for game or a life with the red pill.

Truthfully for the most men the "life with the red pill" has very little value comparing to the amount of the effort it requires to put in. You need to have a special kind of brain for that.

Quote:

The self-discipline and perseverance just isn't there (and never will be no matter how hard they want it - this is what those $3000 PUA camps don't tell you).

In fact they do.

[durangotang]

(03-26-2012 01:38 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 05:34 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

Roissy posted this a while back at the Chateau. I absolutely love it, and it is one of the best things I have ever read. There are so many principles illustrated in this story it is fucking mind blowing; alpha versus beta, hypergamy, dominance and submission, the rough sex and her reaction to it, the alpha fling, keeping the alpha child, the insecure beta mindset and tone of the entire post, the female guilt and manipulation, the need for her of the beta provider.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone like roissy made this whole thing up.

You actually summarized it pretty well - someone put a lot of effort to make it look like a "perfect case". But such perfect cases just do not exist, and this is where it screwed up.

It could be made up, although I wouldn't underestimate the beta power of Reddit. Either way it's a powerful illustration of game principles.

[Yams]

Even if you know how to fuck a woman properly, if you fuck same woman over a long period of time the coolidge effect starts to kick in and your efforts will slip. Women don't have refractory periods like men do so if you got a closet freak then its better just to not settle down with them.

[oldnemesis]

(03-27-2012 10:34 AM)durangotang Wrote:  

It could be made up, although I wouldn't underestimate the beta power of Reddit.

Well, that's classic PR - you post a story at some "independent" place where such stories are common. Then you link to the story from your own resources.