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06-06-2014, 06:20 AM
It is ironic than in free-market countries like the US and UK, the dating markets there are 'seller controlled'. Whereas in traditionally fiscally-conservative countries with protectionist economies such as France, women need to compete with each other and improve themselves in order to attract the best man possible. British and American women, instead of improving themselves, collude with each other to inflate their values and to deflate men's values.
I see this contrast time and time again as I move between the UK and France (as well as casting my memory back to my visits to the US).
When I was younger in the UK, when I started to date, it would seem that women would often try and put me down. My first girlfriend was a safe 6 and she was particular bad at this. As women seemed to be in agreement, I began to believe my apparent inadequacies. Then I started travelling and after being shocked at the standard of women who were attracted to me, I gradually accepted the confidence of being an 8. An older, rich and very elegant French woman with connections in the publishing market in Paris said that my classic British looks would be of interest to French magazines. I honestly thought I was a 4 or 5 who'd be wise to target plain and 'curvy' women (5s or 6s). Yet in France, I got used to being with very attractive women who actually thought highly of me and couldn't understand why I didn't have many girlfriends in the UK.
I recommend that young British and American men to re-read the story of the Ugly Duckling.
My brother who had the same background but didn't travel or learn game and who was a clear 8, married a 5. My mother is so saddened to see pictures of him with a very plain and chubby wife who seems to boss him, that she wonders if something traumatic happened to him to not have any confidence in himself.
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06-06-2014, 07:15 AM
One thing I've noticed is that many Western and Southern European women will happily declare, "I am beautiful," but there is not an ounce of arrogance in their statement (arrogance and saying that you are beautiful are not mutually exclusive) Whereas with American/Australian/British women, they will relentlessly point out their imperfections and seek validation from males to disagree with them and tell them they're beautiful. I'd much rather the first approach than the second.
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06-06-2014, 02:53 PM
The shitty thing is that British women are actually more pleasant and less annoying to be around than American women. Though American women are better looking, on average.
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06-07-2014, 05:19 AM
I've had the same experience as speakeasy. It may be because British girls treat American guys differently than British guys.
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06-07-2014, 12:19 PM
Just as a reminder to non-American guys. Don't forget how huge the US is and how many cultures there are in different regions.
Women in the west and east coast, major metro cities, are terrible of course.
Women in the country areas (midwest, some parts of south) are better. Still attention whores, but to a lesser degree.
I recently got to know a few girls from Minnesota, who were really quite decent. Sweet, smart. A bit of sluttiness of course, you can't escape that completely, but they are clearly open to being trained by a strong man.
I'd wife them if I was young and looking for that.
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02-02-2015, 08:20 AM
I have two question about Anglo-women (I have only been with two Anglo girls), I have two observations to be comfirmed or dismissed. Of course they are stated more generalising than reality
1) Anglo-women rely on alcohol for sex: Girls from the Anglosphere see sex as something that arises from drunkenness. Whereas my experience with German, French and Latin girls this is much less so.
2) Sex is better with German, French and Latin girls, more passioned, whereas Anglo girls are more inhibited.
True to some extent?
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02-02-2015, 08:30 PM
Quote: (03-19-2012 01:04 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:
They're quieter
They're still expressive though? That's kinda where I draw the line on being quiet and submissive.
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02-03-2015, 02:52 AM
I'm speaking generally here but there are massive differences in dating culture from my experience:
Western European women (excluding the UK) are able to better separate sex from feelings. After you hook up with an American girl, the automatic next step (assumed by both guys and girls) is to progress towards a relationship. It's like if you hop on a snowboard and head downhill - you're headed on a very linear path unless something obstructs the way. Even hookup-focused American guys still have this narrative where a successful LTR is the ultimate goal or measure of progress with a girl you like, and it's just a matter of how far you'll let a hookup drift towards it.
In Germany, Holland, and Belgium it's more like jogging on a flat path. You can see immediately what's in front of you and can be more creative in taking whatever path you want. The girls tend to be more upfront when separating casual sex from LTR-sex, and the dating cycle (attraction building, venues, etc.) is generally more reflective of this. Neither girls nor guys need to spend enormous amounts of time, effort, and money if they're only looking for a quick bang. This puts American guys in a bad standing with many European girls, who think they have to fabricate lies and fake careers and jump through a million hoops just to have sex with a girl when it's clearly not the case.
We're just used to assuming that in order to hookup, we need to give the impression that we're relationship material (job, finances, car, career) even if it's not on the table. It always happens where an American girl will ask me by the third or fourth date.. "So, are we like, together now?" No bitch, just chill. EU girls on the other hand will very rarely ask this question and relationship status is taken pretty much at face value.
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02-03-2015, 02:59 AM
^ Interesting it sounds much more relaxed in Western Europe.
America teaches us to be both great salesmen and conmen at the same time.
When I am with girls on a date here I feel like I am a kickoff returner in football avoiding and juking all the tacklers by avoiding unwanted questions and putting myself in the best light possible constantly.
My friend plays up so hard that he is a pro surfer and pro skater with chicks to point I am even a bit cringed, but it works American chicks eat up status ploys and are just waiting to dismiss you if you let out any lower value attributes. I just keep my mouth shut and nod on dates. It works.
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05-19-2015, 08:46 AM
Quote: (06-06-2014 01:58 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:
I think American women are a lot more masculine. In my experience a lot of American women love stuff like watching sports and cars, whereas a lot of British women have no interest in both.
This is very true. A British girl having interest in watching sports, in the same way a lot of American girls do, is still seen as pretty odd - and it would be a source of embarrassment if it was your girlfriend. Things like the World Cup are exempt from that rule I reckon though.
American women, from reading those links posted earlier - and from what people say on here - are just so much more combative. I think one quote in those articles said it best: "American women want to be equal so much it can be overpowering". And that was written 13 years ago...
In terms of the Northern Europeans, German/Dutch/Scandi women are masculine in ways British women aren't, and vice versa. You wouldn't get many British women being pragmatic and logical enough to put up a tent in a quick fashion on a camping holiday, but you wouldn't get many German/Dutch/Scandi women having a fist fight on a Friday night...so swings and roundabouts!
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07-07-2015, 05:43 PM
Western European women (Spain, France, England, etc) are noticeably more fashionable and fit than American women. Many do have feminist attitudes, but are still not nearly as toxic and hypocritical as American women. Honestly, if it wasn't for the widespread secularism in Europe, I would be making every effort to relocate and find a European wife.
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07-19-2015, 02:03 AM
In my experience American women are so grumpy compared to the European ones and I'm not just talking about when I'm interacting with them but also for when I observe them from a distance.
Also American women have the shittiest sense of style I've seen anywhere.
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