[Veloce]

So I'm finding myself heading full steam into an LTR. I'll spare the details of where/how we met, escalation, etc, whatever, but basically I took my sweet ass time getting here (exclusive, ahem, somewhat) and hooked up with a few girls on the way during this courtship. I found myself thinking about this girl in a side by side comparison with a girlfriend I had 5 years ago, before I'd discovered game. I can honestly say the positive changes and the happiness level that I'm experiencing are 100% due to game.

2007 girl:
blow jobs were a random treat

2012 girl:
this girl whines that she doesn't get to blow me enough

2007:
nagging me about domestic issues, how I do my laundry, the cleanliness of my apt, etc

2012:
cleans my bathroom, does my laundry

2007:
nagging me about lack of romance and my input towards the relationship

2012:
appreciates what she gets and tells me so all the fuckin time

2007:
vanilla and unwilling to try new things in bed

2012:
goes out and buys slutty Hustler outfits and shows up at my apartment with them. Absolutely willing to do anything I want

2007:
not supportive, competitive, unpleasant, bitter, resentful

2012:
laid back, down to earth, fun to hang out with, relatively secure (as much as a girl could be)

Your first reaction might be 2012 girl sounds like a total submissive slut. 2007 girl is actually the bigger slut and has been with more guys. Both I'd say are a solid 7.5. The only real difference I can pinpoint all comes back to me: i'm simply unwilling to hang out with any girl that's not completely awesome to be with. For the past several years, as I've dated, the first sign of trouble and I bounce, which some relationship self-professed "guru" would probably label "commitment issues". I'd call it holding out for something worthwhile. Just offering my 2 cents here, as I know some dudes out there are less the International Playboy type and might actually be open to the idea of an LTR. Game is absolutely crucial in either scenario.

Back in 2007 I simply didn't have the balls to bail out asap. I was still stuck in that mindset of taking what I can get, instead of vice versa. It hasn't been an overnight change, and I'm by no means on the level as some of the PUAs here, but it's interesting that a few select profound inner changes have yielded profound outer changes as well.

[dulst]

I'm happy for you man, not personally into LTRs but well done. This is evidence for the case of game being taught in schools.

[Basil Ransom]

Nice. I also wonder how much is due to your behavior, and how much to the girl's. Eg, if you ran into a carbon copy of the '07 girl today, and laid that sweet game you have now, would she be just as stuck-up? I see girls getting expectations of a guy, and if he rapidly changes, asking for more, becoming a 'different person,' then the chick throws a fit. Eg, if a guy believed in 'equality' and all, and then one day starts telling her to do his laundry, his cooking, etc. She'd throw a fit, even though she'd do that for a guy who did that from the start.

Game influences both of course - target selection and target training.

[Veloce]

I should also mention 2012 girl is Filipina

[scorpio]

(03-18-2012 12:50 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I should also mention 2012 girl is Filipina

Should we assume the 2007 girl was some chunky white chick?

[poutsara]

Dating girls is like catching fish. If you don't like the one you just caught, throw it off the boat.

[alphamale87]

The only way a LTR will not get stale and be successful, is if you continue to game and stick with the principles that got you to where you are. But imo, The main course is never as good without something on the side.

Was this beta?

[oldnemesis]

(03-18-2012 12:50 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I should also mention 2012 girl is Filipina

Could you explain how it connects with the game? From your description it looks like you had a girl who wasn't into you/wasn't compatible with you, and now you found one who's more compatible with you.

[Veloce]

If there was a private forum here I'd post pics. 2007 girl def wasn't a chunky white chick. Pretty attractive (when I say 7.5, that's an L.A. 7.5) native american mix. When I read about dudes' gradual progression into a miserable relationship, yep, that was me. I didn't know wtf I was doing, didn't know anything about game or maintaining attraction, and it was also the girl. Horribly insecure, had too many cocks and had a chip on her shoulder towards men. We had our moments, especially in the beginning, and had a lot of fun together, then things got serious, moved in, yadda yadda yadda the end. I was just on autopilot, and doing things that I thought were "normal". Over the years I started dating other races (and read Bang and found this forum) and realized I was much happier dating latinas and southeast asian girls. I upped my "don't give a fuck" attitude, started getting more lays, realized the abundance of pussy, but also realized I liked having a connection to a girl that was worth it.

I think the happiness of my relationship is on both my end and the Filipina's. I wouldn't say she's subservient. But I would definitely say being with her feels more "traditional", and I think it's a cultural thing with her, especially when she tells me about how things are in her country and family. She looks to me to make decisions, wear the pants, and give direction. In turn, she looks how I want her to look, fulfills every sexual need, and is overall pleasant to be around. If any American girl read that previous statement, she'd analyze it as, "Well you're just afraid of a challenge." To which I would roll my eyes and treat her like the cum dumpster she is. The Filipina was born abroad and has lived here for a while, and occasionally I see bits of pieces of American culture influencing her. In those moments, I treat her like I would an American girl and she generally snaps right back to how she was before.

ETA: When I say things feel more "traditional" I think Roosh described this better in his feelings towards EE girls. Things are just more straightforward and direct. Letting a girl know you're attracted to her and instead of them treating you like you're a clingy leper, they reciprocate. I've experienced this with Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, and Filipina girls. I've never banged Japanese or Chinese, I've never been attracted enough to approach.

[oldnemesis]

No need for pictures. Looks do not matter much in an LTR.

I definitely can see where are you coming from. I'd limit it just to the girl's personality. You cannot permanently change the adult's personality. No amount of game will make the girl compatible with you if she is not. Unfortunately your ability to choose the right person comes with practice. It is not even possible to understand what you need in an LTR until you had a few of them.

This is why I didn't see any effect of the game in your case. Sure if you gamed the first girl in your LTR her bitchy personality would take longer to pop up - but it would still pop up. Neither it would make her loving the blowjobs or into trying new things in bed; some girls are into it and some aren't, just like some guys aren't. It is like wearing dresses/heels - every girl can do it, but some like it (so they do it proactively and enjoy it) and some only do it under the pressure. And you cannot convert one type into another.

The "you're just afraid of a challenge" line is very funny. Who the hell needs the challenge in the relationship? There are zillions of challenges in this life, why would you need one more?

[Fujiwara]

(03-19-2012 01:43 AM)poutsara Wrote:  

Dating girls is like catching fish. If you don't like the one you just caught, throw it off the boat.

Also like catching fish in that... you'll catch more with a net than with a rod.

lesson: approach more, don't catch one-itis.