[Deluge]

(03-19-2012 04:55 AM)Kitsune Wrote:  

So I guess I was completely right in the original smoking thread where I pointed out GManifesto was obviously trying to push an agenda.

Why an 'international playboy' wants to spend his time trolling internet forums is a bit beyond me.

G wasn't trolling per se, he was arguing a point in a way that spilled outside the thread it was confined to. What you said there is taking a swipe at a huge chunk of the most valuable members of this forum. The "international playboys" come here to help and give advice to guys just like us, on top of learning a thing or two themselves. They drop valuable info not only on women, but travel, fitness and making money. It would be very wise of you to save and organize useful information that you find here for future reference.

What you said reminds me of game deniers: "If they're so good at picking up girls, what are they doing writing a blog about it?" etc.

[Hencredible Casanova]

There's no denying that cigarette smoke is harmful to one's health. Anyone who "seriously" dares to refute the undeniable mountain of evidence proving so is a complete tool. Now, if you are well aware of those risks and still choose to smoke, that's on you. It's a free country. Enjoy that freedom while it lasts because it may not be here for much longer.

[Kitsune]

PDog;

Apologies, you misunderstand me. Or I wrote inconsiderately.

GManifesto was in the smoking thread suggesting that everyone who disagreed with him was 'pushing an agenda.'

He then pushes the 'smoking is better' agenda in loads of other threads, as opposed to accepting a disagreement like everyone else tends to.
My point was that it isn't really befitting of the character he suggests to live by.

Of course, it doesn't really bother me one way or the other, (I don't give a shit if people want to use smoking as part of their game or pretend that I haven't got game because I don't smoke,) but it's clearly struck a nerve which people don't want to let go of. And I find that weird.

I hope that clarifies.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(03-17-2012 10:56 PM)Joseph_Dantes Wrote:  

If smoking causes cancer, demonstrating this in an animal trial should be the easiest thing in the world. However, no such animal trial exists.

The ones that do exist show longer lifespans for the smoking animals. Oops.

I fail to see why any Phd student or any researcher would engage in large scale animal trials when there are plenty of human specimens to run trials on. If you can study human smokers, why study animals? No academic is going to take you seriously, studying smoking in animals, when so many human subjects are available. Can also imagine how potentially damaging that could be to your research career? I'd hate to have PETA activists breathing down my neck for force-feeding kittens second hand smoke. It's an unnecessary research goal with unnecessary risks without any tangible benefits to either career or corporate interests. Even the smoking industrial complex won't sponsor it, because animal research does not override research on smoking vs non-smoking human subjects; so why bother?

It is impossible to prove that anything causes anything. If you can prove a cause, you're not a scientist. Scientists deal with probabilities and failure to falsify a hypothesis. Causation is the realm of philosophers and quacks.
So no study is ever going to satisfy a die-hard believer in the non-causation of a thing. No one will ever prove that smoking does cause cancer, we can only see that the probability increases in getting cancer in a smoking population versus a non-smoking population, and if that isn't good enough then no science will ever be good enough for you to shake your belief, whether animal or human.

I also don't understand the obsession with cancer.

Most smokers don't get cancer. They get other things, like emphysema, which can often be far more disabling and sinister than cancer.

Quote:

People who believe that smoking causes cancer are the same people who believe that government spending helps the economy, eating animal fat gives you heart disease, and that the crust is the healthiest part of the bread.

For someone who's demanding scientific evidence, that's a hell of a broad unscientific generalisation. You have some proof to support this statement, buddy?

Preferably an animal trial. Hell, make it an animal trial. Unless you can get me a pdf of free full research article of an animal trial that shows the linking between believing in cancer and believing in government, I will not engage in any further discussion.

[Spike]

Speaking of G, Where is he ?

Is he pulling a "Mixx" on us now. Come on dude, people disagree on things in life. It is what it is. Reality !

[Joseph_Dantes]

I tend to get irritable when my internal organs are giving me hell. Don't take the tone personally.

If you actually want to get into it, nightlight's arguments address all the points raised, rhetorical, philosophical, and evidentiary. Just start reading it. You have the links.

You can feel free to argue with him and others on those forums. They will answer in great detail. I don't think RooshV & co want that debate here. But the full debate has already been hashed out, so do the reading first, and you will find your questions answered.

In my case, when I first came across him, I realized he was either extremely intelligent or insane. I tend to pay attention to people like that, until I can categorize them either way, because occasionally they have a red pill I don't.

[Kickb]

I noticed he was gone too. He's probably on another hiatus.

[Deluge]

(03-19-2012 03:14 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

Speaking of G, Where is he ?

Is he pulling a "Mixx" on us now. Come on dude, people disagree on things in life. It is what it is. Reality !

He had a hiatus before when Ali accused him of being a fake (which is utterly impossible btw). Has anyone thought that he might have been banned from posting for a week?

[Spike]

(03-20-2012 12:06 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

(03-19-2012 03:14 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

Speaking of G, Where is he ?

Is he pulling a "Mixx" on us now. Come on dude, people disagree on things in life. It is what it is. Reality !

He had a hiatus before when Ali accused him of being a fake (which is utterly impossible btw). Has anyone thought that he might have been banned from posting for a week?

A posting ban, that's possible. He would do well meeting with at least one forum member to take away the doubts about him some guys have. I'm not one of them btw. I live completely in a different low baller world so its hard to judge him based on things i have only seen in movies.

[Chad Daring]

I dont get whats with all this doubting of G

Even if he's ENTIRELY fictional and some made up persona, that doesn't mean his info isn't good. That doesn't make him any less right in 99% of the things he's said. So many of the guys on this board have used fictional characters as reference to game before, why should it matter if G is in fact a real person? You look at characters like Don Draper and say "I wanna be that guy" At the very WORST G is just our Don Draper. At best he's, well the G.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(03-20-2012 04:32 AM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

I dont get whats with all this doubting of G

Even if he's ENTIRELY fictional and some made up persona, that doesn't mean his info isn't good. That doesn't make him any less right in 99% of the things he's said. So many of the guys on this board have used fictional characters as reference to game before, why should it matter if G is in fact a real person? You look at characters like Don Draper and say "I wanna be that guy" At the very WORST G is just our Don Draper. At best he's, well the G.

I think it's because G "bullies" other members and is very argumentative. He'll go to war in threads against people who rightfully say smoking is unhealthy, for example.

Don Draper is just a character. People have a choice to follow him or not. If G just told stories and left it at that, I see your point. But he goes beyond that by arguing with people a lot. In that case, I think it's justified for people to want to see what he looks like or know who he is considering the talk that he talks.

[Spike]

(03-20-2012 04:32 AM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

I dont get whats with all this doubting of G

Even if he's ENTIRELY fictional and some made up persona, that doesn't mean his info isn't good. That doesn't make him any less right in 99% of the things he's said. So many of the guys on this board have used fictional characters as reference to game before, why should it matter if G is in fact a real person? You look at characters like Don Draper and say "I wanna be that guy" At the very WORST G is just our Don Draper. At best he's, well the G.

I disagree. If he's a fictional persona that would mean that most of the advice he pushes upon us is NOT field tested and based on theories and assumptions. Like i said, he would do well to meet at least one high regarded forum member to take away the doubt i think most members have here but are afraid to speak up about it. It should be Roosh but i don't see him returning to the states anytime soon.

I don't really doubt G just because there are thousands of guys who earn shit loads of money in some sort of corporate banking job or their own biz. Its not impossible to have one of them post on a playa's forum.

Its a world i'm totally not familiar with so i don't follow his advice to much because i don't have the bankroll to do it in the first place. Just how i don't see G traveling on chicken busses in 3rd world countries and sleeping in dorms or dump hotel rooms with cold water and a roach here and there. Its just two different worlds.

However i don't like how he bullies other members sometimes.

[Moma]

I am really not interested in meeting G to know whether he is real or not.
I thought he was a tall black guy before with all the strip threads and boxing and hiphop but I discovered he is an Irish/Spanish guy. Doesn't matter. We always assign an image to the person's type style. Many would have pegged me as this fat ginger guy. That's fine.

If he wants to stay secretive, that is fine to me. Again, no disrespect intended. I would only challenge a person if their information doesn't play along with what I know. For instance, I know a guy who has been travelling to Eastern Europe for about a decade now and fcuking the shyt out of the locals. He has visual proof of penetration and some videos so I know this cat is for real.
I know other cats who travel with no visual proof. Now, if there is information they provide, that doesn't correlate with others I know, that's when I question further, for clarity.

I've been debating outside for cyberspace for decades now. So these so called spats, if they are seen as that, hardly rattle me..especially online. As long as the other person is cool and doesn't get offended, we can keep going back and forth and take it all in good nature.
I will still give props to the person the next day if they drop information that I consider valuable.

It is the mark of a man not to take these things to heart. We are not children and we are not female (save for Mrs Chocolate). You get punched in the stomach, fine. We get up and we have a beer (or a gin) the next day.

To conclude, G seems cool but I did ask for his permission to go in with no gloves before I posted my initial anti smoke thread. If at any time, I sensed I was hitting a raw nerve or he was getting irritated, I would gladly back off.

Again, I am all about spreading love and happiness, even if it doesn't always come across like that.

[Screwston]

When did Ali call him out? I don't remember that

[MikeCF]

(03-20-2012 07:43 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

I disagree. If he's a fictional persona that would mean that most of the advice he pushes upon us is NOT field tested and based on theories and assumptions. Like i said, he would do well to meet at least one high regarded forum member to take away the doubt i think most members have here but are afraid to speak up about it. It should be Roosh but i don't see him returning to the states anytime soon.

Everything he's posted that guys have actually tried works.

Guys are talking about suits, cigs, and drugs like they are new things.

He's probably taking a break because the hate on this forum has gotten lame.

Also, it's pretty gay (not that there's anything wrong with being gay) to obsess over whether another man is "real."

If you're on a bodybuilding forum (sorta gay) and posting things that go against conventional wisdom, guys want a pic.

But people who have done what G advises post positive things.

And, honestly, what matters most in game is duplication.

If some guy posts a video of him with 1,000 girls and then gives advise that doesn't work for anyone else....What value is there in the guy's game?

Charles Buskowski pulled a lot of decent chicks - especially when you considered how ugly he was.

What's he gonna post on a game site? "Become a famous poet."

Even if a guy is making stuff up, but it works, then he's got more value to add than someone who pulls due to his sui generis.

Honestly, more of you guys should focus on you're giving tips and adding value rather than obsessing over a guy who has freely given legit tips for several years.

[scorpio]

Maybe he is .... wait for it ... busy right now.

This kind of thing happens to guys with stuff going on in their real life. I really doubt you guys hurt his feelings.

[MikeCF]

(03-20-2012 04:44 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

I think it's because G "bullies" other members and is very argumentative. He'll go to war in threads against people who rightfully say smoking is unhealthy, for example.

Bullying is a word for children and women, not men.

It'd be funny to read Roosh's inbox.

I bet it'd be full of "alpha males" reporting mean comments made by other members.

If a guy can't do a little verbal sparring online (where he has ample time to consider comebacks, cool his head, or just ignore it and walk away), then he's not going to get anywhere with women.

He's also going to fail at life.

G is never an asshole as such. He just hits back as hard as other guys hit.

G (or his persona) is a guy's guy. Outside of picking up women, he'd be a fun dude to roll with. Hell, half the time when I go out, I don't want to meet women. I just want to hang out, drink, bullshit, and discuss business ideas and investments.

In a society where boys have been raised by women, it's no surprise few understand him.

[Chad Daring]

I've been on the other end of a disagreement with G and I've never seen him bully anyone.

"Fuck you dude, you dont know shit, pics or you're full of shit!"

Thats bullying, to me.

G IS relenteless, but only when you argue against his point, which I can respect because I can be the same way. This very thread is how G makes his point. Rather then harangue you with pointless back and forth arguments he comes up with a way to prove it the point. The very fact that he's willing to defend his point lends credit to him being who he says, in my eyes. If he was just some dude keyboarding it up for funsies he'd just go "yeah whatever" and then keep talking about suits so everyone would be cool with him. The fact he's willing to lay down time and effort into a belief he has proves something.


As far as this cigarette business, having read the thread, I dont remember G saying "cigarettes aren't bad for you" His whole standing was the one that I've adopted, and that I believe others like MikeCF mentioned as well. All things have risks, and its about the risks vs the pay off. ROI if you wanna be all PUA about it.

Can smoking cause health risks? Absolutely. Can you smoke a pack a week for fifty years and be perfectly happy and healthy? Ask my grandpa, who's got perfectly clean lungs despite a lifetime of smoking. Can smoking a pack a week also result in fatal lung cancer? I'm sure someone can pull up a news article that states just that.

The point is that everything in life has risks. Personally I consider the risks of smoking to be FAR LESS then those of banging a girl you met an hour ago. With smoking you know what you're getting yourself into, with some random chick you could very well be dipping your stick into a big bag of AIDS, or herpes, or she gets pregnant. Or she doesn't get pregnant but then claims its your baby nine months later. Which is the entire point of the original post of this thread.

[Screwston]

G and Moma are both fly ass cats! Gmanifesto gave me some good advice on having a baby face when I first found this forum. Completely changed how I look at it now.

[Hotwheels]

I'm with Mike on this.

[Kaizen]

(03-20-2012 12:06 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

(03-19-2012 03:14 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

Speaking of G, Where is he ?

Is he pulling a "Mixx" on us now. Come on dude, people disagree on things in life. It is what it is. Reality !

He had a hiatus before when Ali accused him of being a fake (which is utterly impossible btw). Has anyone thought that he might have been banned from posting for a week?

How is it 'utterly impossible'? Have you met him?

[WesternCancer]

I just read all these replies. To me it doesn't matter if someone on the internet is real or not, everyone has an online persona the rest doesn't really matter.

Also it sounds like gmanifesto has taken his reading of "the 48 laws of power" to heart. I can see a few of the laws in action as a result of this thread. I applaud you G haha.

[Deluge]

(03-20-2012 04:38 PM)bigxxx Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 12:06 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

(03-19-2012 03:14 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

Speaking of G, Where is he ?

Is he pulling a "Mixx" on us now. Come on dude, people disagree on things in life. It is what it is. Reality !

He had a hiatus before when Ali accused him of being a fake (which is utterly impossible btw). Has anyone thought that he might have been banned from posting for a week?

How is it 'utterly impossible'? Have you met him?

Go read his archives. Not only is his advice legit, but he drops tons of knowledge on Travel that guys on this Forum always concur with. Plus, he's stayed consistent for over half a decade. You can even figure out how he makes his money (at least mainly) from a few posts this year, and go back in his archives to 2005 and see the same thing being talked about. If he wasn't real, he would not have been able to drop the knowledge and advice that he has, and he would not have been able to stay consistent in his advice, style and his backstory for over half a decade.

[Kaizen]

I'm a big fan of G and know there has to be a lot of substance to create the quality of his posts. But I never say 'utterly impossible' until I see something with my own eyes.

[Samseau]

G's been gone for a week and people are talking.


Calm down fellas, and try taking it easy for once. Too many high-strung guys on this forum. Need to smoke some weed.