[Roosh]

(03-14-2012 04:57 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I remember one time a game I played against some other Greek guys.There were these hot looking Czech girls who went to buy icecream.The guys were sitting at the cafe exactly by side of the girls and were waiting till they finished their order in order to talk to them.At that time I walked fast and intervened from the opposite side.I started talking to the girls in Czech while they were standing.The guys could not understand a thing.Then when the girls sat down I called by phone my wings who were nearby.They came in less than a minute and I positioned them strategically to completely block the access of guys from the next table.I told them not to tell anything to girls and continued to speak in Czech.When the girls were into us and I introduced them to my wings I started speaking English to engange my wings.
At that time I looked at the guys in next table and they had the look ''I will kill you.''

When I was in Lithuania, the Turkish guys operated like this. They would move in as a team and block access. They moved fast... they were the first to see approachable women. Your only chance was hoping the girls rejected them or approaching other girls while they were occupied.

[Greek kamaki]

I have already described the turkish method.They use some guys who are attractive and good in opening to bring the girls inside the circle of their friends.Then they put other guys as guards around the girls who will deter anyone attempting o approach.
So some guys pay(the ones with resources),some guard(the ones with good physical build and muscles),some talk to the girls(guys with good game) and some go to bring the girls(attractive guys).

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-10564.html

The problem that Turks have when I am present is that I am faster than the Turks.So I am the first to approach the attractive girls.I have already described my tactique how I approach from the first seconds I enter the door so that nobody was aware of my presence till then to block me.
In this way I had several conflicts with Turks who came to the same girls as trailers.In one case I got into the turkish circle of guards and told the girl to come back I drove her downstairs and took her number.The Turks had become totally mad.As Balkan I am never afraid of the Turks and I know every trick they can pull in advance.They cannot compare to us in speed,alertness and power in general.
Their only advantage is their numerical superiority and the very good coordination they have(cooperation between guys is common in all muslim folks we here tend to fight all the time I never found a wing to listen and do the proper things.Everyone here does things independantly what he has in mind we are more anarchists by nature).

[the_conductor]

(03-20-2012 05:00 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Their only advantage is their numerical superiority and the very good coordination they have(cooperation between guys is common in all muslim folks we here tend to fight all the time I never found a wing to listen and do the proper things.Everyone here does things independantly what he has in mind we are more anarchists by nature).

Can you elaborate on some coordination strategies one man and his wing can use in pickup? Cause when I roll with another guy we just independently do our thing, and at most introduce each other to the girls; maybe we can come up with some thing to work together and coordinate our efforts.

[Greek kamaki]

The usual role of the wing is to occupy the one girl(even the ugly one) so you can talk to the other without being cockblocked.Also to isolate one of the girls later so you can isolate her friend.
The role of the turkish wing is to block you from talking to the girl.The one guy talks to the girl for a while then brings her inside his circle of friends who undertake to protect her from other guys' approaches.To block a guy's access to a girl you usually need two guys(one on the left and one on the right) or a circle with 4-5 guys around and the girls inside the circle(what the Turks do).
In order to play out the Turks you need either to:
1.Come to the girl before they approach her to get into the circle that is be faster than them
2.Come to the girl after they have started talking to her but they have not yet invited her to the circle which will happen inevitably soon after.That is coming to her while she is not protected by guards still.
3.Penetrate the circle.Disregard the guards around push them a bit and enter to talk to the girl.Then while they are under surprise take her out of the circle or keep them at distance with your hands(I have already explained how to do this).

In the latter case physical confrontation is very likely so what matters is the balance of power.For example if you are accompanied by 4 Serbian dudes who are huge and with biceps like ox thigh the Turks will rather hesitate to start any confrontation.The Serbian guys desire this situation like a butter on bread to have some chance to beat some Turks.
But if you are alone or your wings are rather hesitant to confront the Turks(damn it happens with Greeks as well there are many turkophiles) then you have to be prepared to carry out the battle for yourself which can be painful or not.(the Turks do not punch the same way as Russians however some of their friends may carry knives so always when dealing with an Arab or a Turk(especially Arab Africans) you should look first at his hand if he carries any object(sometimes you may see only a small glimpse but it is enough).
In my confrontations with Turks there were only verbal threats(get away,leave her,she is my girlfriend and not physical actions aka push,punches except in the case I started to push).

[Moma]

(03-12-2012 04:24 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(03-11-2012 06:21 PM)joehoya Wrote:  

He is married to some Macedonian chick, IIRC.

Yeah that's the guy. He has a few videos up and he's bloody impressive.


I don't know if anybody else does this but when I change to my non native language,Russian,my demeanour changes. As in my voice becomes deeper and I undergo physiological changes subconsciously. I had a UK friend visit me in Kyrgyzstan when I studied there and when he first saw me speak Russian he remarked on how my demeanour changed,I stood straighter and my voice went more alpha. I think that speaking in a different language allows you to escape who you really are for a short time.

I concur. I am sort of semi fluent at another language that is very aggressive and it is impossible to speak this language in a soft manner. It's a very decisive language with no insinuations. When I speak this language, my nostrils flare and my tone becomes more stentorian.
Languages are more than just mere communicative devices, they are tied to a culture and a behaviour. If the culture is alpha, the language will be alpha. If the culture is romantic, the language will be romantic. This assumes that this language was not bastardized due to former invasion and mixed with other cultures..

[Rokirootimes2]

I lived in Japan for a few years and got a few Japanese notches. By the end of my stay I was conversationally fluent but at the beginning it was not so good. (ie less than a 3 year old...who is Japanese).

My technique at the beginning was that when I was on dates, I would take my digital camera. On my digital camera would be photos of places I had visited and myself hanging out with friends. I could then spend the evening explaining my trip, saying what I did, what I saw, how fun it was, etc. This was an excellent way to build rapport and DHV. Because these were photos that I already had, I could practice what I was going to say before I went. Also, once you did this with a few girls your confidence in explaining the story would be up as well as giving you the chance to refine your delivery. NOTE: make sure to DELETE any photos of you with other girls that are intimate in nature.

Another technique I used was a pen and paper. Sometimes, pictures could explain something that my limited vocabulary could not. You can have a bit of fun with this, such as if you draw a bird you can put a smiley face on it or give it an eyepatch. You know youre going well when she joins in drawing a few pics of her own. You should encourage her in this.

Probably not so impressive with spanish, but jgirls were impressed when i could write a few words/symbols in their own language. A foreigner speaking their own language is rare, but one who can write in it was even rarer. You can milk this a bit, but dont go overboard.

Remember, dont show her all your photos. When you get up to leave, tell her about this awesome trip you went on, but have already downloaded on your computer. Then you say "lets go to my place and have a look at them now".

Another technique I would occasionally use was to take a phrase book with some humourous lines in them. I would recommend the "making out in ...." series. Once she gets a bit of alcohol in her you can bring out the sexually suggestive but fun lines. This can get the girls to loosen up a bit, have a laugh and make the conversation more flirtacious.

My last point would be to say dont feel shy taking a small hand-held dictionary. Sometimes, finishing a good story can be reliant on one word, and finding that word can be the difference in making her laugh and an uncomfortable silence. As long as you dont overuse it, the dictionary can contribute to a better conversation, which in turn can lead to other things of an enjoyable nature.

Have fun.

[the_conductor]

(03-20-2012 09:57 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The usual role of the wing is to occupy the one girl(even the ugly one) so you can talk to the other without being cockblocked.Also to isolate one of the girls later so you can isolate her friend.
The role of the turkish wing is to block you from talking to the girl.The one guy talks to the girl for a while then brings her inside his circle of friends who undertake to protect her from other guys' approaches.To block a guy's access to a girl you usually need two guys(one on the left and one on the right) or a circle with 4-5 guys around and the girls inside the circle(what the Turks do).
In order to play out the Turks you need either to:
1.Come to the girl before they approach her to get into the circle that is be faster than them
2.Come to the girl after they have started talking to her but they have not yet invited her to the circle which will happen inevitably soon after.That is coming to her while she is not protected by guards still.
3.Penetrate the circle.Disregard the guards around push them a bit and enter to talk to the girl.Then while they are under surprise take her out of the circle or keep them at distance with your hands(I have already explained how to do this).

In the latter case physical confrontation is very likely so what matters is the balance of power.For example if you are accompanied by 4 Serbian dudes who are huge and with biceps like ox thigh the Turks will rather hesitate to start any confrontation.The Serbian guys desire this situation like a butter on bread to have some chance to beat some Turks.
But if you are alone or your wings are rather hesitant to confront the Turks(damn it happens with Greeks as well there are many turkophiles) then you have to be prepared to carry out the battle for yourself which can be painful or not.(the Turks do not punch the same way as Russians however some of their friends may carry knives so always when dealing with an Arab or a Turk(especially Arab Africans) you should look first at his hand if he carries any object(sometimes you may see only a small glimpse but it is enough).
In my confrontations with Turks there were only verbal threats(get away,leave her,she is my girlfriend and not physical actions aka push,punches except in the case I started to push).

Thanks for your explanation Kamaki. I like your word Turkophile . In my situation I don't really have to worry about other guys approaching cause frankly few guys here have the balls to approach. The problem is penetrating the circle of mixed groups, and the girl sticking with and not wanting to leave her friends when I try to isolate her. I have a very rough time doing that. Do you have any suggestions?

[Tresor]

(03-20-2012 10:10 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 04:24 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(03-11-2012 06:21 PM)joehoya Wrote:  

He is married to some Macedonian chick, IIRC.

Yeah that's the guy. He has a few videos up and he's bloody impressive.


I don't know if anybody else does this but when I change to my non native language,Russian,my demeanour changes. As in my voice becomes deeper and I undergo physiological changes subconsciously. I had a UK friend visit me in Kyrgyzstan when I studied there and when he first saw me speak Russian he remarked on how my demeanour changed,I stood straighter and my voice went more alpha. I think that speaking in a different language allows you to escape who you really are for a short time.

I concur. I am sort of semi fluent at another language that is very aggressive and it is impossible to speak this language in a soft manner. It's a very decisive language with no insinuations. When I speak this language, my nostrils flare and my tone becomes more stentorian.
Languages are more than just mere communicative devices, they are tied to a culture and a behaviour. If the culture is alpha, the language will be alpha. If the culture is romantic, the language will be romantic. This assumes that this language was not bastardized due to former invasion and mixed with other cultures..

I completely agree with this...

I guess the most manly languages would be those spoken in the Caucasus. Languages like Chechen and Circassian. Even their love ballads sound like war songs. Mind you, those guys don't need to game girls, they just kidnap them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEFFD29N6...re=related

[Greek kamaki]

Common cockblock while talking to a girl in her native language while in your country:
-My friend why are you torturing us?Why do you not simply tell her that you want to fuck her?
-Have you not already grilled her(expression used for making a girl ready to hook up)
-Do you know her?How long do you know her?Are you from(her native country).

[Greek kamaki]

Other common cockblocking techniques they may use on you:Neutralization.
1.Where are you from?What do you do for a living?(to start talking about incremental matters so your attraction flops)
2.Is that Mercedes SLK outside of the club yours?(to show that you do not belong to rich and important folks)
3.Do you often frequent the ...club?(a very exclusive place to show that you cannot pass face control in exclusive clubs)
4.How long do you know her?Is she your girlfriend?(to make you betray your game,apologize,seem beta,define your relationship make her think about other alternatives,enhance the seriousness matter etc)/

Let's see Balkan power style answers to the above questions:
First of all answering general.For example:
-Where are you from?
-I am from Balkans.
-What do you do?
-Business.

Irony.
-Is that Mercedes SLK in front of the club yours?
-No,I came here by teletransport.

Calling out bullshit.
-Do you frequent often the ...(VIP) club?
-Yes,I visit it often.However I never saw you inside.

Exaggeration.
-How long do you know her?Is she your girlfriend?
-She is my fiancee.

Careful all of these answers may lead to physical confrontation but they are the only way to stand your ground and save face.
Otherwise you have to play tricks aka disorientation playing in several levels(on girls,guys etc).

[Greek kamaki]

The magic number to learn a language is the 3000 words.If you can learn and memorize 3000 words then you speak the language in conversational level.So make a goal to learn 30 new words every day.In 3 months you will have reached 3000 words and this is all you need.Of course this is simplistic approach.You have to learn the most commonly used words and some grammar as well.
I usually learn the most common words by talking to girls and reading news in the respective language.Memorizers always have an edge if your memory is really good you will not have a problem remembering a bunch of words.(of course usually memorizers are exploited for their abilities in other fields and seldom use their capabilities for fucking).

[Greek kamaki]

For example if you want to learn polish quickly get a method like ''Do you want to learn polish?'' or ''colloquial polish'' enter a chat like wp.pl and talk with girls using a dictionary.By writing and having to translate very quickly you will start learning fast the conversational polish you need.Or you can go to a polish forum like http://kafeteria.pl to the subforum zycie erotyczne http://f.kafeteria.pl/forum.php?id_f=8 where polish women talk about their sexual experiences(hot stuff you will be surprised by what they tell there they even compare penises of different nationalities).Then you translate it with a dictionary and start memorizing the words you translate.You can also learn quickly by this interesting method.

[redacted]

Disclaimer: I have no language notches, but I can weigh in on some of this discussion.

The most important thing is a total lack of fear. If the girl thinks youre even a bit attractive (and if not, who fuckin cares?) she'll love that you're trying. Just don't go walking around Paris saying "Vous le vous coucher avec moi?" or however its spelled. Spitting ignorant shit like that will peg you as a dipshit horny american who can't be bothered to learn anything.

im currently working on Spanish, in which i have a high school education and can have a simple and grammatically butchered conversation. They say humor is the hardest thing to master, but I think if you can construct some basic rhymes and have an english sense of humor, you can get in there. one joke involve "besos" and "pesos", not the funniest but hey, it was in spanish. something like "si tengo muchos pesos, puedo tener muchos besos". whatever they can't all be winners....also, might lose some impact in Espana where they use Euros...but if i spoke spanish with a girl from spain I"d want to first discuss how my spanish comes from NYC/DR/PR/MEX, not ESP. could be a fun topic of conversation too...

Put down your books and shit and go talk to spanish speakers. when possible, insist on it. try your jokes on them, try to explain things to them that you anticipate having to explain (why you're here, what you do, etc.). Again, I think humor is the key to polyglot polyamory. its hard as hell, and i am blessed with a quick and sharp wit so I can usually conjure up at least a lame pun on the spot.

Good luck Roosh.

[xsplat]

(03-20-2012 11:05 AM)Rokirootimes2 Wrote:  

I lived in Japan for a few years and got a few Japanese notches. By the end of my stay I was conversationally fluent but at the beginning it was not so good. (ie less than a 3 year old...who is Japanese).

My technique at the beginning was that when I was on dates, I would take my digital camera. On my digital camera would be photos of places I had visited and myself hanging out with friends. I could then spend the evening explaining my trip, saying what I did, what I saw, how fun it was, etc. This was an excellent way to build rapport and DHV. Because these were photos that I already had, I could practice what I was going to say before I went. Also, once you did this with a few girls your confidence in explaining the story would be up as well as giving you the chance to refine your delivery. NOTE: make sure to DELETE any photos of you with other girls that are intimate in nature.

Another technique I used was a pen and paper. Sometimes, pictures could explain something that my limited vocabulary could not. You can have a bit of fun with this, such as if you draw a bird you can put a smiley face on it or give it an eyepatch. You know youre going well when she joins in drawing a few pics of her own. You should encourage her in this.

Probably not so impressive with spanish, but jgirls were impressed when i could write a few words/symbols in their own language. A foreigner speaking their own language is rare, but one who can write in it was even rarer. You can milk this a bit, but dont go overboard.

Remember, dont show her all your photos. When you get up to leave, tell her about this awesome trip you went on, but have already downloaded on your computer. Then you say "lets go to my place and have a look at them now".

Another technique I would occasionally use was to take a phrase book with some humourous lines in them. I would recommend the "making out in ...." series. Once she gets a bit of alcohol in her you can bring out the sexually suggestive but fun lines. This can get the girls to loosen up a bit, have a laugh and make the conversation more flirtacious.

My last point would be to say dont feel shy taking a small hand-held dictionary. Sometimes, finishing a good story can be reliant on one word, and finding that word can be the difference in making her laugh and an uncomfortable silence. As long as you dont overuse it, the dictionary can contribute to a better conversation, which in turn can lead to other things of an enjoyable nature.

Have fun.

Those are all very good tips. I especially like using phone pics to build up routines around words you are familiar with. I've never thought of using pictures to illustrate a discussion - that's got to add a fun dimension.

I also carry around a micro laptop, in a custom made laptop case that I hang on my belt. It's an EEEpc, so it's no bother. A usb modem gives me fast internet access from anywhere. So if I'm sitting down with a girl it doesn't take long to whip out Google translate.

The girl I live with now spoke next to no English when I met her, and our first date was interpreted through hand gestures and Google translate.

[memcpy]

(04-05-2012 12:20 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 11:05 AM)Rokirootimes2 Wrote:  

I lived in Japan for a few years and got a few Japanese notches. By the end of my stay I was conversationally fluent but at the beginning it was not so good. (ie less than a 3 year old...who is Japanese).

My technique at the beginning was that when I was on dates, I would take my digital camera. On my digital camera would be photos of places I had visited and myself hanging out with friends. I could then spend the evening explaining my trip, saying what I did, what I saw, how fun it was, etc. This was an excellent way to build rapport and DHV. Because these were photos that I already had, I could practice what I was going to say before I went. Also, once you did this with a few girls your confidence in explaining the story would be up as well as giving you the chance to refine your delivery. NOTE: make sure to DELETE any photos of you with other girls that are intimate in nature.

Another technique I used was a pen and paper. Sometimes, pictures could explain something that my limited vocabulary could not. You can have a bit of fun with this, such as if you draw a bird you can put a smiley face on it or give it an eyepatch. You know youre going well when she joins in drawing a few pics of her own. You should encourage her in this.

Probably not so impressive with spanish, but jgirls were impressed when i could write a few words/symbols in their own language. A foreigner speaking their own language is rare, but one who can write in it was even rarer. You can milk this a bit, but dont go overboard.

Remember, dont show her all your photos. When you get up to leave, tell her about this awesome trip you went on, but have already downloaded on your computer. Then you say "lets go to my place and have a look at them now".

Another technique I would occasionally use was to take a phrase book with some humourous lines in them. I would recommend the "making out in ...." series. Once she gets a bit of alcohol in her you can bring out the sexually suggestive but fun lines. This can get the girls to loosen up a bit, have a laugh and make the conversation more flirtacious.

My last point would be to say dont feel shy taking a small hand-held dictionary. Sometimes, finishing a good story can be reliant on one word, and finding that word can be the difference in making her laugh and an uncomfortable silence. As long as you dont overuse it, the dictionary can contribute to a better conversation, which in turn can lead to other things of an enjoyable nature.

Have fun.

Those are all very good tips. I especially like using phone pics to build up routines around words you are familiar with. I've never thought of using pictures to illustrate a discussion - that's got to add a fun dimension.

I also carry around a micro laptop, in a custom made laptop case that I hang on my belt. It's an EEEpc, so it's no bother. A usb modem gives me fast internet access from anywhere. So if I'm sitting down with a girl it doesn't take long to whip out Google translate.

The girl I live with now spoke next to no English when I met her, and our first date was interpreted through hand gestures and Google translate.

I did the pen and paper thing , it works and it's funny. I also wrote out some simple stupid jokes. At the izakaya I would play dumb and ask if I was holding chopsticks the right way, so we could be touching. Then I would twirl my pen around my thumb and show her how to do it, it's a good trick to learn, and I don't have to read any palms or anything. Just chopsticks and a pen my 2 little moves to get touching in a natural way.

[Greek kamaki]

Speaking Czech,Russian and polish has helped me immensely when dealing with girls from the respective countries.A great advantage when meeting them on vaccation is that the local guys cannot overhear and understand your conversations in order to take action.