[OGNorCal707]

(03-15-2012 11:23 PM)clr Wrote:  

I gotta say, I've been there and done that, and I agree with most of what old nemesis says. It's like when I was in the NYC PUA scene and people would talk all this smack on the forums about how and what they would do and say. The reality is very different from the "ideas" people have.

I was a go to guy on the forums for mLTR's. What Sam says is true for short ish term relationships. Say less then 2 years. Hell, even with Hugh heff the girls leave him and move on after a few years. Ime women are ok with not getting married if you have a commitment, hell I have dated swingers, even when you are fucking other girls, swingers don't want you fucking other girls with out them.

A high value girl will not put up with that shit long term, no matter how tight your game is, or how well you fuck her. The only exception I see is if you really mind fuck her like some doms I know with Thier subs, but we are talking real mind fucking.

Here is the problem with the game, it will warp you, and tell you falling in love is being pussy whipped. Being in love is a great thing, having a great fulfilling relationship is wonderful. The most alpha, confident guys I know are married and in great relationships.

Here is the immaturity I see on the board, all the guys putting too much weight on looks, how hot is the girl Dave d married, how hot is the blond? I have fucked an incredible amount of women, some smoking hot, great lays, but at the end of the day I'll take a 7 with an amazing personality over a 9 that doesn't know what plethora means. Most of the the true connections I have had with women, were the 7-8's not the 9-10s I've fucked or dated.

Think of it this way, as a guy with tight game you have lots of options which is why its so hard to settle with just one woman, a woman who is her top 5% with all the qualities Sam mentioned is going to have 5 times the options of the guy on this board with the tightest game. Why would she settle for less then what she wants? She won't ime. At least in the USA.

[clr]

(03-15-2012 11:28 PM)scorpio Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 11:23 PM)clr Wrote:  

Here is the problem with the game, it will warp you, and tell you falling in love is being pussy whipped. Being in love is a great thing, having a great fulfilling relationship is wonderful. The most alpha, confident guys I know are married and in great relationships.

Here is the immaturity I see on the board.

I see a lot of immaturity on these boards. Some of these guys just make themselves look bad and lose credibility as a result of it. On that point, we agree.

Where we disagree. What if you don't want to become the person a woman wants you to change into? What if your vision of the good life is fundamentally different from hers? What then? Talk to married Western men today. Notice how they have to change for her, but she can be whatever she wants.

Who said change? I think most men change and bend to the communities view of what alpha is, that's true beta behavior if you want to use PU terms. If your view of the good life is different fine, be true to yourself. I will tell you as you age 99.9 % will change Thier views of what "the good life" is. I am no woman's bitch, but neither am I a bitch that follows the communities idea of what an Alpha pimp guy is.

I am also fair and equal(51% equal hehehe) you expect a woman to change her fundamental idea of a good life, but you would be unwilling to change yours?

I have met mPUAs from all over, the secret? Almost none are truely happy. The reality as I see it is us men are children, we want our cake and want to eat it to. Fine, I've done it for years. Being great at picking up women has fucked me out of a few amazing relationships because I had the Pua mentality, but you grow and you learn. Don't get me wrong, I still fuck a variety of girls, and when I want a new one I get one. If I found a right one for me, would I settle down? Probably I'm just picky as hell. I have about 8 women I could ask to marry me tomorrow and they would say yes. Am I in any rush? no.

I will also agree that many men in the usa are wusses, and women are acting like feminatzis. IMO just like many American women take it too far so are many Puas, or wannabes because they still have something to prove.

Money (and all the things that accompany it) is the reason women deal with infidelity and why is south america most men have a wife and a lover on the side. Women know what's going on and won't leave. Now,compare that to a woman who is smoking hot, has her own money.... If you are ok with a constantly rotating group of girls cool, they will even often come back for a bit after they break up with the guy they dated after you.

I have kept rotations for years, but in the end they all end up married and what most women want is fundamentally different from what Sam is saying, much less a high value woman who could get the same or better and has as many options as Sam.

A great book, and a great read for all IMO is "The way of the superior man" by David Dieda.

[oldnemesis]

(03-15-2012 11:23 PM)clr Wrote:  

I was a go to guy on the forums for mLTR's. What Sam says is true for short ish term relationships. Say less then 2 years. Hell, even with Hugh heff the girls leave him and move on after a few years.

That's a good point. Yep, even Hugh Hepher "relationships" seem not to last over two years.

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A high value girl will not put up with that shit long term, no matter how tight your game is, or how well you fuck her. The only exception I see is if you really mind fuck her like some doms I know with Thier subs, but we are talking real mind fucking.

Another exception is when a girl knows she's really mind fucked and no reasonable guy would put up with her shit, so she basically tells herself she'll never have an LTR. And then she meets a guy who actually enjoys her mind fucks. Indeed she'd cope with a lot of shit with this guy.

However in both this and your case the game helps pretty much nothing. It is just you're really this kind of couple where both people match perfectly what another one needs. This does not depend at all on having playboy skills.

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The most alpha, confident guys I know are married and in great relationships.

And some aren't interested in women at all - they pursue business, politics, science or whatever else.
I'm yet to see a true alpha chasing women.

[oldnemesis]

(03-15-2012 11:28 PM)scorpio Wrote:  

Where we disagree. What if you don't want to become the person a woman wants you to change into? What if your vision of the good life is fundamentally different from hers?

This means you're stuck in a relationship with an incompatible woman, and you should have paid more attention to her personality than to her "big eyes, tight ass, melodic voice, and soft hair and skin, and a soaking wet vagina" as some fellow members supposedly describe their ideal match.

So what then? Cut it off, and be more careful the next time. If you're living together, you spend much more time with a person than with a vagina. So if you're choosing a woman to have kids with, pay much more attention to her person than to her vagina.

[Samseau]

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For example, here are the two important questions you have repeatedly avoided to answer:

- Are you ok with the fact that your girl will fuck some other dude at the side?

- How long your longest relationship with the kind of woman you describe lasted? Very often when you talk about relationships you say utter nonsense, which is obvious to anyone with even a few years relationship experience.

More baloney from Old Lady Nemesis.

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- Are you ok with the fact that your girl will fuck some other dude at the side?

Newsflash: Women don't cheat on men because men cheat on them. Most of the time, women cheat on betas, who have stopped giving them the romance and vagina tingles they crave.

Case in point: I've been fucking a 27 year old Greek woman who came over for a short stay (I'm friends with Greeks). Her boyfriend, 31 years old. Been together for 6 years. He's been faithful to her the entire time. He even called once right after I fucked her, and I listened to her talk to him.

Fucked her the first night she arrived, raw dog. She went for the alpha, ignored the beta. She also plans to keep her beta boyfriend around because she knows she can't get a better man to commit (like me).



I don't care if my woman cheats on me, because I won't be paying enough attention to her to care. She'll be the one making sure I'm not cheating on her all the time, because she knows I could upgrade at any time.

You're a beta, old nemesis, or a angry old woman (I think this is the case). You have zero experience being an attractive man, otherwise you'd know this.

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- How long your longest relationship with the kind of woman you describe lasted? Very often when you talk about relationships you say utter nonsense, which is obvious to anyone with even a few years relationship experience.

I'm too young to have had any serious long-term relationships, not that any of this is relevant. I learn from others, like the guy who's at risk of being cuckolded by me.

[clr]

There used to be an old debate, choose the new doctor fresh out of med school who was taught all the newest techniques, or choose the older doctor who had been there and done that hundreds of times.

I have done very well for myself my whole life because I listened to those who had more real life experience. I learned from them and then added my own real experience, keeping what worked in the real world and discarding what didn't.

As most people know(and anyone who has been in combat), what sounds great on paper, or on a computer screen rarely works the same way in real life. As Tyson used to say, everyone has a plan until they get hit.

Sam, it sounds like you have been a bit brainwashed by "the community". There are very valuable resources in the experienced people on this board. The majority of people here speak from YEARS of experience, not the 20 ebooks they read.

Since you like the term Alpha (I never have, I preferred dominant), alpha males dont go around telling everyone how "alpha" they are. That's beta behavior, trying to prove he's alpha.

Most of your comments in this thread are naive at best. You won't care if your woman cheats on you because you won't be paying enough attention to her care? That's a huge example exactly WHY many women cheat.

Anyway, I hope you read this and allow it to sink in, and don't view it as an attack, it's not. Best of luck.

I will add, I'm dating 3 women right now, they know we are not exclusive, I know I am the only guy they are shagging, but I genuinely care about all three and connect with them. Sadly the hottest of the 3 is a lot of fun but has the most issues, and I am probably dropping her right now.

I have intimacy, connection, and passion with all three. I am here in Vegas and just shagged this nice Spanish girl a few times while I was here. There is a way to handle dating multiple women, but they will always come and go out of the rotation. The one with a Phd in Psychology just texted me while i was writing this and wants me to take her to a swinger club for her first time when I get back. I know eventually she will not get what she needs from me, even though she is happy just to have me in her life right now.

Many women will hold on for years and years, but not if they don't get what they need from you. Women need to felt cared about. Plane is about to board, gotta run.

[Saladin]

Gotta agree with oldnemesis. Choosing a girl to have kids with is far different from a normal LTR or fuck buddy relationship. Things like looks matter way less, and personality and income matter way more.

[oldnemesis]

(03-18-2012 03:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

More baloney from Old Lady Nemesis.

Wow, name calling and bitching. That really sound insecure. Didn't you get your daily "alpha boost" dose from roissy yet? You're slipping in the beta behavior! Next time practice more confidence in front of mirror before replying! You definitely don't want the people to think you're not really as alpha as you think you are!

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Newsflash: Women don't cheat on men because men cheat on them. Most of the time, women cheat on betas, who have stopped giving them the romance and vagina tingles they crave.

Those who do not have their NEEDS satisfied at home do not just cheat. They have affairs, and then they break up.

Women (and men) cheat for a lot of different reasons. Vast majority of those happen spontaneously, because there is the opportunity, the time and the mood. It doesn't matter what she gets at home. If you really believe you can prevent her from cheating on you just by giving some "alpha vibes" you definitely need a reality check.

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Fucked her the first night she arrived, raw dog. She went for the alpha, ignored the beta.

I don't believe you! How could you skip the description of her eyes, hair, breasts, ass, voice and soaking vagina??? Maybe you made all those things up!

But really, that's what is going to happen when your woman goes on vacation ALONE in a different country. Some other dude younger than you would fuck her rawdog and then post on some other forum about the "beta Samseau boyfriend" at home who she ignored. Because you are the only guy in the world who doesn't care about his woman fucking other dudes, everyone else in the same situation is a "beta boyfriend"!

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I don't care if my woman cheats on me, because I won't be paying enough attention to her to care.

She will know you are cheating on her. It doesn't take a lot of brain power to figure it out when you're living with someone even 70% of time while maintaining a separate apartment. So you're not just cheating on her, you're disrespecting her. And since you can leave any time there is no trust. Having kids in this kind of relationship is a definite way to end up posting the sob stories on roissy how you got "raped by child support laws".

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She'll be the one making sure I'm not cheating on her all the time, because she knows I could upgrade at any time.

And being twelve years younger than you and in the top 5% she already knows no dude except you would ever pay any attention to her. She couldn't even think about getting, for example, a dude who is just five years older than her. No upgrade options for her with you paying for them!

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I'm too young to have had any serious long-term relationships, not that any of this is relevant.

No, it is very relevant because it means your stories and ideas are based not on the real world experience. To put it the way even you understand, you sound like a pick up artist who learned pickup from the books, have not got laid even once, but already telling everyone how great your pick ups would be. And it is obvious you're talking about the things you have absolutely no idea how they work, and this was quite obvious to ANYONE here who had prior relationship experience.

Well, as I said, you are a typical roissy-style "alpha monkey" - you see one, you see them all. You won't believe how much fun is to watch you.

Thank you for answering my questions though.

[Samseau]

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Wow, name calling and bitching. That really sound insecure. Didn't you get your daily "alpha boost" dose from roissy yet? You're slipping in the beta behavior! Next time practice more confidence in front of mirror before replying! You definitely don't want the people to think you're not really as alpha as you think you are!

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No, it is very relevant because it means your stories and ideas are based not on the real world experience. To put it the way even you understand, you sound like a pick up artist who learned pickup from the books, have not got laid even once, but already telling everyone how great your pick ups would be. And it is obvious you're talking about the things you have absolutely no idea how they work, and this was quite obvious to ANYONE here who had prior relationship experience.

You write like a girl.

1. Verbose.

2. Ignoring arguments.

3. Extremely emotional.

Some members have already PM'ed me their suspicions as well.

I like how you capitalize "anyone" to stress community support, just as females do. See: Lady Raine

You even hate Roissy like an old spinster.

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Those who do not have their NEEDS satisfied at home do not just cheat. They have affairs, and then they break up.

Women (and men) cheat for a lot of different reasons. Vast majority of those happen spontaneously, because there is the opportunity, the time and the mood. It doesn't matter what she gets at home. If you really believe you can prevent her from cheating on you just by giving some "alpha vibes" you definitely need a reality check.

Speaking of real world experience: You have no experience as an alpha male. When you are attractive, there's not a whole lot you need for your game except to maintain the upper hand.

Love your bullshit wordplay too, Old Lady Nemesis. Having an affair isn't cheating?

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Because you are the only guy in the world who doesn't care about his woman fucking other dudes, everyone else in the same situation is a "beta boyfriend"!

The boyfriend is a beta because he does care. He's the one calling her up to check in on her, etc.

If it was my girl, she'd be the one calling me.


See, you think this is just all theory and bullshit, but you're a clueless beta with nothing to offer me. I've learned from men with game on how to best handle LTR's, men of all ages, and all of them have painted me a consistent picture. This is the picture I live for and present to you. Feel free to take it or leave it -

Not that a woman like you would benefit from this advice.


clr -

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I have done very well for myself my whole life because I listened to those who had more real life experience. I learned from them and then added my own real experience, keeping what worked in the real world and discarding what didn't.

Wow dude, you do this to? And I thought I was the only guy who did this.

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Sam, it sounds like you have been a bit brainwashed by "the community". There are very valuable resources in the experienced people on this board. The majority of people here speak from YEARS of experience, not the 20 ebooks they read.

You're making bad assumptions about where I get my info from. I collect it from a very wide variety of sources, from people and books.

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Most of your comments in this thread are naive at best. You won't care if your woman cheats on you because you won't be paying enough attention to her care? That's a huge example exactly WHY many women cheat.

No, I said I wouldn't pay enough attention to her to care. I will always take care of any woman I've been having sex with.

But if the woman is seriously thinking about fucking some other guy, it means the relationship is over. There's nothing any man can do to stop a woman from fucking another man.

The only thing that keeps a woman going steady with any man is her love for the man. Guess what? Caring about whether or not she loves you is beta. Being beta means she won't love you.

Learn not to care and consequently you'll get more love. Has happened for me and every other player I know.

As for the rest of your post:

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Since you like the term Alpha (I never have, I preferred dominant), alpha males dont go around telling everyone how "alpha" they are. That's beta behavior, trying to prove he's alpha.

And then you follow up with this hypocrisy?

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I will add, I'm dating 3 women right now, they know we are not exclusive, I know I am the only guy they are shagging, but I genuinely care about all three and connect with them. Sadly the hottest of the 3 is a lot of fun but has the most issues, and I am probably dropping her right now.

I have intimacy, connection, and passion with all three. I am here in Vegas and just shagged this nice Spanish girl a few times while I was here. There is a way to handle dating multiple women, but they will always come and go out of the rotation. The one with a Phd in Psychology just texted me while i was writing this and wants me to take her to a swinger club for her first time when I get back. I know eventually she will not get what she needs from me, even though she is happy just to have me in her life right now.

[oldnemesis]

(03-18-2012 07:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You write like a girl.

That's how the reasonable people discuss, we call it "arguing your position". Too bad you're not one of them, as all you can do is trying to insult me (and if you haven't figured it out, you're wasting your time, I don't respect you enough to even get pissed off on you).

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You even hate Roissy like an old spinster.

You're flattering him. I don't hate immature people who were brainwashed into thinking they've learned The Truth and everyone else who doesn't accept The Truth is a poor soul at least. I feel sorry for them. And sometime they make my day.

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Speaking of real world experience: You have no experience as an alpha male. When you are attractive, there's not a whole lot you need for your game except to maintain the upper hand.

Unfortunately your opinion on that matter carries zero value. Not only because you aren't "alpha male" - you're just trying to play one (and you can't even play one properly) - but because you're advocating something you have never done before and have zero experience with.

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The boyfriend is a beta because he does care. He's the one calling her up to check in on her, etc.
If it was my girl, she'd be the one calling me.

Obviously in your alpha-beta world such things as call costs (have you ever called overseas from a cell phone? that's expensive!), convenience, or previous arrangements about who should call who do not exist. And your relationship is going to be "either my way or highway", and every girl would put up with it. Nevermind. Maybe roissy will write a post about it some day, and you'll finally learn it before your girl calls you ten times from the overseas vacation and you'll end up with a $1200 cell phone bill.

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See, you think this is just all theory and bullshit

I think it is just all bullshit. There is no theory since there are no reasonable arguments, your "theory" is no different from a "theory" that a moon is made from cheese. But hopefully you'll think more about it - maybe even talk to a lawyer - and won't commit those mistakes. We don't need another "alpha male" bitching about how he was raped by the unfair child support laws.

But thank you anyway as your posts really make my day. I even started saving them just in case you delete them. It is rare to see such an impressive combination of pomposity and naivety together.

[clr]

*Sigh* i wasnt going to reply but i got pulled in for the entertainment value.

it's difficult to have a discussion with someone who has all the answers. That Psychologist I am seeing is Dominican, apart from teaching women's studies(we have a lot of interesting, intelligent conversations! she does a lot of counselling with the women in the Hispanic and black communities. It's full of all those "alpha" male bad asses who leave women with children and who aren't there to raise their kids and pop in once in a while to reassert their "alphaness". Guess that's what real men do? Seems like its working out really well for those communities no? (insert sarcasm)

I will say again, top tier women will only deal with that shit in the honeymoon phase. In my EXPERIENCE it's around the 2 year mark on average even if you have your shit together. Even my lil psychologist, I know she loves me, and for right now I am the only guys she is with and she deals with me being gone a lot. But we text quite a bit and really enjoy the time when we are together. We have a great connection, passion and intimacy.

She is highly educated and extremely attractive woman, she is only 2 years younger then me tho. I already know she wants to marry me, there will come a point where she wont be getting what she needs from me anymore. I fully expect her to move on eventually. She may well stay around for many years, but she is not 12 years younger then me. She works a lot and this situation works out great for her too tho. As long as we are both satisfying each others needs we will both be fufilled, and no I am not talking purely sexual needs.

[Hotwheels]

Unless someone has actually done something I don't think they can claim to have all the answers.

[mofo]

(03-19-2012 02:17 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

Unless someone has actually done something I don't think they can claim to have all the answers.

No one has all the answers.

[oldnemesis]

(03-19-2012 02:17 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

Unless someone has actually done something I don't think they can claim to have all the answers.

Actually this is a typical behavior of a 14yo kid. This bunch is pretty sure they know all the answers, and that real life experience doesn't matter because we all are just old farts.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I have to say that, even if I agree with Oldnemesis in this discussion and am skeptical of Samseau's views presented here (in theory!), I have seen that for myself work very well in real life. I.e., a young, pretty girl hopelessly in love with an alpha 20 years older. Even after 5 years of him (rather publicly and unapologetically) cheating on her and treating her like a disposable toy, she still considered him the best man ever and talked about wanting to have his kids. To day, she is still the same and "waiting for him to understand that she loves him forever". However, I'm sure she's also cheated at least once.

And no, he wasn't rich, or good looking, either in general or for his age.

[jerome]

[quote='Samseau' pid='180839' dateline='1332116216']
[quote]Wow, name calling and bitching. That really sound insecure. Didn't you get your daily "alpha boost" dose from roissy yet? You're slipping in the beta behavior! Next time practice more confidence in front of mirror before replying! You definitely don't want the people to think you're not really as alpha as you think you are![/quote]

[quote]No, it is very relevant because it means your stories and ideas are based not on the real world experience. To put it the way even you understand, you sound like a pick up artist who learned pickup from the books, have not got laid even once, but already telling everyone how great your pick ups would be. And it is obvious you're talking about the things you have absolutely no idea how they work, and this was quite obvious to ANYONE here who had prior relationship experience.[/quote]

You write like a girl.

1. Verbose.

2. Ignoring arguments.

3. Extremely emotional.

Some members have already PM'ed me their suspicions as well.

I like how you capitalize "anyone" to stress community support, just as females do. See: Lady Raine

You even hate Roissy like an old spinster.


[quote]Those who do not have their NEEDS satisfied at home do not just cheat. They have affairs, and then they break up.

Women (and men) cheat for a lot of different reasons. Vast majority of those happen spontaneously, because there is the opportunity, the time and the mood. It doesn't matter what she gets at home. If you really believe you can prevent her from cheating on you just by giving some "alpha vibes" you definitely need a reality check.[/quote]



No, I said I wouldn't pay enough attention to her to care. I will always take care of any woman I've been having sex with.



[quote]Since you like the term Alpha (I never have, I preferred dominant), alpha males dont go around telling everyone how "alpha" they are. That's beta behavior, trying to prove he's alpha. [/quote]

And then you follow up with this hypocrisy?

[quote]I will add, I'm dating 3 women right now, they know we are not exclusive, I know I am the only guy they are shagging, but I genuinely care about all three and connect with them. Sadly the hottest of the 3 is


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Samseau is right on...he understand alpha on a deep level...he understand the relationship dynamics between a alpha man and a women.

Either the guy dominates the relationship or the women will run free...

Thats just how it is...I wish it wasn't true. I wish I could be nice to girls...be romantic and tell her how much I adore her....Than again that could be my feminist programming speaking....blocking my male alphaness.

I learn along time ago, like Samseau, that you have to dominate the girl in order to get what you want. If you don't...hell will break loose...

you must bend her over!

[clr]

(03-21-2012 03:17 AM)jerome Wrote:  

Samseau is right on...he understand alpha on a deep level...he understand the relationship dynamics between a alpha man and a women.

Either the guy dominates the relationship or the women will run free...

Thats just how it is...I wish it wasn't true. I wish I could be nice to girls...be romantic and tell her how much I adore her....Than again that could be my feminist programming speaking....blocking my male alphaness.

I learn along time ago, like Samseau, that you have to dominate the girl in order to get what you want. If you don't...hell will break loose...

you must bend her over!

When you say you learned a long time ago..... 10 years ago? 20 years ago? what is a long time ago? Last year?

I just graduated New York Film Academy for Acting.... there are many parallels to real life in acting. For example, there is a saying, "Don't act, Be." All of us can tell bad acting, someone who is trying to act brave but isnt really, or someone who is acting confident but we all know isnt. Or a Tranny who is trying so hard to act feminine that he/she comes out way over the top. Confident, dominant guys dont act confident/dominant they just are.

This happens in the PUA community, guys feel like they have to out "alpha" other guys, they go around acting all cocky and confident which in turn makes them look very "beta".

Lets stay with the movie theme for a moment and pick Oceans 11. Brad pitt, George clooney, Matt damon, Bernie mac, Andy Garcia, and a host of other very "alpha" males. Do you think they were going around on set and trying to "out alpha" each other? Of course not. Do you think they Dominated the women on set? Did they have to Dominate Julia roberts? (which if you want to bring up some preselection jargon, she already has just as high value as they do) Of course not. Thier natural dominant state of being is what attracts women.

The thought process that you have to dominate a woman is a novice thought. A beginner thought. Like a person who first learns a bit of martial arts then thinks he is a bad ass, and needs to go around and prove it.

I dont have to dominate a woman(just like I dont have to or want to fight, but after 20 years of various martial arts I can), most men on this board who are really good with women are dominant. You dont impose that on other people, its a state of being. The fact that you feel like you have to dominante women, or even other men in the room, proves you are not dominant. Thats insecurity.

In fact, you will find as you mature, you can be a very dominant male, and still be a nice guy. About 7-8 years ago I used to travel with one of my jiu jitsu instructors(a grace cousin) we talked about game a bit. He used to ask me why I played these games, and to just be nice. He was regularly shaggin 9's. He suggested for a week that I play no more of my PUA games and do only 3 things. Be nice, be confident, be true to yourself (ie honest and say what you think). It worked very well, even better then my PUA games. I learned then, nice does not = weak, Nice + dominant/confident male= a lot of pussy, and quality pussy, not some slut I picked up in a bar, that went home with a different guy every night that week.

@ Handsome Creepy Eel, I will be the first to argue that anything can be done. People have been hit by lighting twice and survived. Saying you have seen it happen and saying it is easily repeatable are 2 completely seperate things.

I am even a fan of having unobtainablevirtually impossible goals. Its the flippancy and ease of which Sam thinks his fantasy is going to be had. Its like a kid graduating from college thinking they are going to create world peace and that all people can be reasoned with. Its just not reality. In most of your situation type examples that I have seen there are major mental issues involved with the girl. Usually daddy issues, or molestation issues. That type of girl is just as likely to cut his balls off one day when she loses it and realizes he is a man whore

Any way, I have too much time on my hands today.

[oldnemesis]

(03-21-2012 03:17 AM)jerome Wrote:  

I learn along time ago, like Samseau, that you have to dominate the girl in order to get what you want. If you don't...hell will break loose...

So how many long-term relationships you have been into? How long the longest one lasted?