[eldorado]

I would like to ask you if you have only Friday / Saturday and Sunday, where you highly recommend me to visit picking up girls?
As a confession, I'm cool, well-dressed, have good budget, handsome but very very shy without drink and hate P4P actions.
You may think my question day-game and night-game seperately.
I was thinking but confused to visit Kharkiv or Dnepropetrovsk.
Because your reports didn't encourage me too much due to language barrier.

[Deb Auchery]

Problem is that three days is not much time to work with, if you are going to a place purely for getting laid then you could be setting yourself up for a disappointment.

I would just go somewhere cool, and hope to get some action

[Greek kamaki]

It depends on your budget.How much you are willing to spend.Dnepropetrovsk however is not a good target.
If you can spend 1000 euro(including airfare) on the weekend I strongly advise Kiev.
If you have 800 euro go to Kharkov.
If you have 600 euro hit Poznan.

[rudebwoy]

Find a 2nd or 3rd tier city in a country you like and fair amount of people speak english.

[eldorado]

(02-26-2012 09:17 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

It depends on your budget.How much you are willing to spend.Dnepropetrovsk however is not a good target.
If you can spend 1000 euro(including airfare) on the weekend I strongly advise Kiev.
If you have 800 euro go to Kharkov.
If you have 600 euro hit Poznan.

Dear Greek Kamaki,

Many thanks for your advise.
I decided to fly Kiev and found you one of the most experienced for Ukraine in this site after check previous Kiev reports.
According to my search from different web sites, people recommend following clubs in Kiev;
1) Dinamo D'lux
2) Sorry Babushka
3) Patipa
4) Shooters
5) Arenca Club
6) Avalon
7) Barsky

Unfortunately, most of visitors from different sources claim all 8's, 9's and 10's in the clubs are pros or semi-pros.
Is it true?
If yes, any recommend to find right types not waste my limited time with a pros.
I personally prefer to spend a few hundered bucks in the clubs for a girl instead of P4P.

[Greek kamaki]

You have the right approach.It is possible that you will spend in clubs in Kiev.Entrance ticket only cost about 25 euro(maybe now it is more).So imagine if you get there with girls(although girls pay less for entrance).If you buy drinks for girls they will rip you a bit off as a foreigner so you may easily spend 150-200 euro per night.However the quality of girls you meet and the good time you have are unparalleled anywhere(I am not sure about Russia but there you have to spend more).My suggestions are D'Lux(it is a must unbelievable concentration of hotties),Decadence(it was top before full of models now there is relative decline) and Carribean(more low profile and cheap with normal looking girls not only models but some of them extremely beautiful).

Whores can be found more in Shooters,Arena and Avalon.There is also another club with hookers Buddha bar.I generally avoid these places.Patipa is middle class the clientelle is about that of Carribean but if you have only one weekend I strongly suggest D' Lux,Decadence and Carribean.Whores in these clubs are only 10% and should not bother you.Some girls are open to sponsoring meaning they will bang you if you get them to a sushi restaurant and buy them a present(a perfume,a golden cosmetic or a mobile phone).Other girls are open to one night stand with foreigner withour further obligations.

However you are not the only one to know these.These clubs are swarmed and filled by Arab,Italian and Turkish tourists who are horny as hell and have the same kind of information.So you have to be able to compete against all of them and sometimes the spending they do will blow off your mind.There are also middle aged or old Americans,middle aged Scandinavians and Germans so you have to be a real hunter somehow and competition increases the demands of girls.

Personally I never had any problems with Arabs or Turks because I do not take them into account they are simply invisible to me.They will try to block or push you but I simply do not care.

Fortunately all foreigners are scared to get into conflicts because the establishment in these clubs is Ukrainian so noone can really threaten you or cause you any real problem.(except pushing sometimes).So you need to dress up and play your game regardless of the others.

[Hencredible Casanova]

Barcelona hands down. I did that trip myself in March 2011. Slam dunk.

Med Europe is where you want to be in Europe this time of year.

[eldorado]

(02-27-2012 03:55 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

You have the right approach.It is possible that you will spend in clubs in Kiev.Entrance ticket only cost about 25 euro(maybe now it is more).So imagine if you get there with girls(although girls pay less for entrance).If you buy drinks for girls they will rip you a bit off as a foreigner so you may easily spend 150-200 euro per night.However the quality of girls you meet and the good time you have are unparalleled anywhere(I am not sure about Russia but there you have to spend more).My suggestions are D'Lux(it is a must unbelievable concentration of hotties),Decadence(it was top before full of models now there is relative decline) and Carribean(more low profile and cheap with normal looking girls not only models but some of them extremely beautiful).

Whores can be found more in Shooters,Arena and Avalon.There is also another club with hookers Buddha bar.I generally avoid these places.Patipa is middle class the clientelle is about that of Carribean but if you have only one weekend I strongly suggest D' Lux,Decadence and Carribean.Whores in these clubs are only 10% and should not bother you.Some girls are open to sponsoring meaning they will bang you if you get them to a sushi restaurant and buy them a present(a perfume,a golden cosmetic or a mobile phone).Other girls are open to one night stand with foreigner withour further obligations.

However you are not the only one to know these.These clubs are swarmed and filled by Arab,Italian and Turkish tourists who are horny as hell and have the same kind of information.So you have to be able to compete against all of them and sometimes the spending they do will blow off your mind.There are also middle aged or old Americans,middle aged Scandinavians and Germans so you have to be a real hunter somehow and competition increases the demands of girls.

Personally I never had any problems with Arabs or Turks because I do not take them into account they are simply invisible to me.They will try to block or push you but I simply do not care.

Fortunately all foreigners are scared to get into conflicts because the establishment in these clubs is Ukrainian so noone can really threaten you or cause you any real problem.(except pushing sometimes).So you need to dress up and play your game regardless of the others.

Incredible useful report. Thanks a lot...
Could you give me some idea for dress code?
If I wear very luxury suits, like attached picture, it would be advantage or disadvantage?

[Greek kamaki]

Suit can be an advantage however the open shirt is not a good idea.You attract attention from other guys,other nationalities and girls may think you are some kind of gypsy or scammer.In Ukraine what works better is expensive clothing with serious presentation better grey or black colors not colorfull shirts.

I am usually dressed in Boss brand clothes which are acceptable.Your shoes better be on the higher than 200 euro range and bought recently(in good condition).An accessory like an expensive watch definetely helps and you need a good haircut.(modern haircut not very long hair maybe better short hair).So darker colors,if possible impressive shoes of high quality(maybe even Italian shoes can do the job) avoid jeans trousers better carry some quality ones matching the suit.I generally avoid suits in clubs because they restrain my movements and I do not have the attitude and impression I want to project but for sure suits in Ukraine work just fine actually in one case I lost some girls to some Scandinavians wearing suits.

[MiXX]

(02-27-2012 05:27 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

our shoes better be on the higher than 200 euro range and bought recently(in good condition).

Why? Are they going to check the price of my shoes on the smartphone as soon as they see me?

"Oops, I'm so silly, I seem to have forgotten to remove the 500Euro sticker from beneath my shoe....wanna have sex now?"

Greek, I have liked many of your posts, but many of them show that you are an insecure, and needy guy that desperately seeks acceptance/approval from women.

Not saying you are, but what you write on your posts, and how badly you try to get approval of these goldigging bitches from Eastern Europe.


My shoes cost WAAAAAYY MORE THAN 200 EUROS, I usually wear Mark Nason or Gucci Loafers as my casual shoes, and even those are not even my expensive shoes, but you will never see me trying to show girls that at all, if anything, I tell them I purchased them at a flea market, because they are too stupid to know the difference. My shoes are expensive FOR ME!!! Not for them!


You seem to be like the "local guy" Roosh always talks about:

"Don't take advice on how to bang local local women from local men, they will purposely sabotage your bangs or give you wrong advice".


heres my 2 pieces of advice:

Advice NO. 1: Have so much swagger than women make an effort to meet YOUR STANDARDS, in lieu of you scrambling around for designer brand shit so that you can satisfy their standards! NOW THAT'S BETA!!!!!

Advice NO.2 : If women are not making an effort to meet your standards, because they are too spoiled by ass-kissing, approval-seeking Betas, Go someplace else where women WILL. It's a pretty big world!



I have noticed that a few players my age have something in common: The more into his mid 30's a man gets, the more ZERO BULLSHIT he will take from a woman not meeting his standards. It's like the roles are reversed; women have 0 tolerance, and higher standards when they are under 25, men have it over 30.

Greek, you are clearly a man under 30 years of age. You'll get it someday.


Mixx

[Greek kamaki]

I wrote I do not wear suits in clubs because they are uncomfortable.When I wear suits they are French or English ones from brand names.

I wear Boss shirts which is the minimum to be presentable there.Anway also firms like Pal Zilieri etc do the job I wrote that you just need to have sth costing over 100 euro.Shirt over 100 euro,trousers over 100 euro,pullover over 100 euro and one is O.K. In clubs.

With shoes I have problem due to my foot shape and can hardly find any stylish shoes that I can wear without extreme pain.So I buy from 1-2 brand names only and not the most stylish ones.

[Greek kamaki]

It is simple how it works.First of all if you wear cheap clothes in clubs you risk been rejected entrance in high end clubs where most beautiful women gather.When I was younger I managed to get to clubs with face control wearing 3 euro shirts only(imitations) solely based on appearance(guards let you in if they consider you handsome face approved).Now it is impossible to manage the same.

Also if you carry cheap clothes in Kiev the girl may think how is he supposed to pay for my date when his clothes are not worth 50 euro?Or how will he pay for my drinks?In Kiev dressing up is essential I have seen it million times.One time I did the experiment and went to Kreshatik(central street in Kiev with cheap clothes.Result was zero.No woman would turn to look at me.

Then I got to apartment close to Kreshatik and changed to expensive clothes.In some hours I had gotten phone numbers from girls walking by had arranged dates and was already dating 3 girls I had met walking on the street in a cafe.

What matters more in my opinion is inner game dominant status.You really have to crash everyone around the Turk,the Arab whoever happens to be there and get all the girls.This is the Balkan mode go out kill the enemy do not let them breathe.Guys are highly embarassed when you turn on the Balkan mode.It is totally possible in Ukraine you will get some severe reactions in Scandinavia.

[el mechanico]

Mixx, I think we are losing a bit of what Kamaki is explaining in the translation. Everytime I've been in Europe I'm stupefied by how superficial the women are in the clubs. The locals can't pull the American card. In Greece the stores have knock-off everything. Crap! Funny looking Nike swooshes and Timberland logos missing branches. Even in the higher end shopping areas. They love labels there.

I've also noticed that Greeks have Albana-dar. They can pick an Albanian out from two miles no matter how hard they try to hide it with clothes etc. Everyone has face control there. Good news for you though. I have a felling nobody would know what to make of you. The women maybe "curious" to find out.

[MiXX]

(02-27-2012 09:51 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Mixx, I think we are losing a bit of what Kamaki is explaining in the translation. Everytime I've been in Europe I'm stupefied by how superficial the women are in the clubs. The locals can't pull the American card. In Greece the stores have knock-off everything. Crap! Funny looking Nike swooshes and Timberland logos missing branches. Even in the higher end shopping areas. They love labels there.

Where in Europe exactly? If you say Ukraine sure, I believe that.

However, when I was in Slovenia, I did not see this, seriously, I did not. Everywhere I went, I saw humble people, and humble girls, and the guys did not wear designer anything, not even fake stuff. They were just plain, striped shirt and jeans - that's it.

(02-27-2012 09:51 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I've also noticed that Greeks have Albana-dar. They can pick an Albanian out from two miles no matter how hard they try to hide it with clothes etc. Everyone has face control there

I don't even know what an Albanian looks like, so I guess I better google to see why I have to be aware of this.

However, nobody has more face control than South Beach, NOBODY!

Hell, being good looking is not good enough, you must be good looking, and be surrounded by girls OR, someone in the club (promoter, manager, bouncer) knows you.

So, South Beach takes it to the extreme where your good looks are NO guarantee.

(02-27-2012 09:51 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

. Good news for you though. I have a felling nobody would know what to make of you. The women maybe "curious" to find out.

They were in Slovenia, that's for sure.

Not a day goes by I do not think about the girl I left behind there....damn, the life of player is hard sometimes.

Mixx

[el mechanico]

Fuck face control! I swear if I waited in line and someone told me to go home it would send me into a psychotic meltdown. Power meters would be pulled etc.

[Greek kamaki]

I can instantly recognize everyone if he comes from Albania,Bulgaria or Serbia it is not that difficult.I can also tell if sb comes from Russia or Poland just by looking at him.Or Germany,Austria,Sweden,Netherlands.In fact many girls have been surprised I guessed their origin immediately.I already gave you some hints how to differentiate slavic women.

Albanians are easy to spot by their head shape which is square(Albanian head) and their mouth which is special.(only Albanians have this kind of mouth).Albanians were not mixed they were living in mountains so they look close to each other.

The most attractive Balkans are the Serbs and they are easily recognizable.Many slavic women dig Serbian men because of physical appearance and very close appearance,culture,genes.

However when I was in resort with very handsome Greek and Serbian men it surprised me that polish girls were not going for them.Polish can prefer the ugly individual for some reasons over the handsome one.It is a weird state of mind they maybe afraid that a handsome guy will leave them early while an ugly one will stay with them due to lack of other choices.

Some women also believe that ugly guys are better in sex because they have to compensate for appearance.So you have to know about all this and actively reverse the situation not just rely on looks since more things come into play and sometimes looks can work against you.

[MiXX]

(02-27-2012 12:22 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Polish can prefer the ugly individual for some reasons over the handsome one.It is a weird state of mind they maybe afraid that a handsome guy will leave them early while an ugly one will stay with them due to lack of other choices.

As weird as this paragraph sounds, I agree. The reason I agree is because I have PERSONALLY WITNESSED THIS SEVERAL TIMES!! ** I don't like it, trust me, but that's the way it is.

In Colombia, when you are a very good looking or handsome guy, IT WORKS AGAINST YOU!

Somehow, the perfect player is a guy who is not ugly nor good looking, just "AVERAGE" looks with "Average game" - voila!

I've asked Colombian girls why this is so, and not one can eve give me a straight answer. The general response I get is that handsome men are cheating, lying, dogs who always have a constant supply of pussy to bang at will. The women do not like that at all.

Funny, in America, women are attracted to men who attract lots of beautiful women, it seems Poland is just like Colombia, where it is not in your favor to be too handsome, and you work 3x harder than the average guy with a beer belly who kisses her ass and pedestals women.


Mixx

[Greek kamaki]

Not exactly.Polish are attracted by weak guys.So you may be attractive but you have to downplay that.You may be gamer but you have to downplay that and appear shy.So you seem sensitive etc.

Generally they prefer men a bit on the gayish side or hardcore dresiarz.Anyway I never managed to describe polish women perfectly they are very vey complicated.I can only describe their behaviour.

Another factor that comes into play is appearance of local women.We Greeks where local women look hot are at disadvantage to Arabs where local women do not look so hot because the polsih girl will think Oh,he is unlikely to get hooked by me he will marry an attractive Greek woman at the end while the Arab has no other choice.So appearance of local women can work agianst you.(you do not have this problem abroad).

Also being ugly has other advantages:

1.Ugly guys can appear more manly than baby faces in some cases

2.Ugly guys can cause respect(especially if they have some scars).

3.Ugly guys do not cause jealousy

4.A girl has the feeling that she sacrifices herself by dating an ugly guy and polish women like to sacrifice.(again this is weird and has to do with low self esteem).

5.A girl dating an ugly guy has severe chances that he will stick to her put her on pedestral and satisfy all her financial,emotional needs.

[MiXX]

Roosh/Luckystar, can you confirm this from your Polish knowledge?


Mixx

[Greek kamaki]

With polish women what happens is that everyone who has good experience describes their positive aspects and noone of the negatives and everyone who has negative expericne describes only the negative aspects and not one of the positive ones.You can be either a full lover or a full hater with polish women and many guys fluctuate between that according to the course of their relationships.

[rudebwoy]

Let's not get on the whole Polish girl thing again, Mixx that is one person's view! From my experience Polish women tend to like a strong "man" and I would put emphasis on man. I would say the same principles apply to them as to most other women.

Again though you are playing the American card, this is the biggest card you have in my opinion. The rest is just whipped cream on the cake, with the cherry on top.

Can you guys please get back onto the discussion about the Kiev club scene?

[azulsombra]

(02-27-2012 12:27 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 12:22 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Polish can prefer the ugly individual for some reasons over the handsome one.It is a weird state of mind they maybe afraid that a handsome guy will leave them early while an ugly one will stay with them due to lack of other choices.

As weird as this paragraph sounds, I agree. The reason I agree is because I have PERSONALLY WITNESSED THIS SEVERAL TIMES!! ** I don't like it, trust me, but that's the way it is.

In Colombia, when you are a very good looking or handsome guy, IT WORKS AGAINST YOU!

Somehow, the perfect player is a guy who is not ugly nor good looking, just "AVERAGE" looks with "Average game" - voila!

I've asked Colombian girls why this is so, and not one can eve give me a straight answer. The general response I get is that handsome men are cheating, lying, dogs who always have a constant supply of pussy to bang at will. The women do not like that at all.

Funny, in America, women are attracted to men who attract lots of beautiful women, it seems Poland is just like Colombia, where it is not in your favor to be too handsome, and you work 3x harder than the average guy with a beer belly who kisses her ass and pedestals women.


Mixx

LMAO, this has been my experience in Colombia as well. That's "chick logic" for you. Even though "chick logic" is something of an oxymoron.

[K-man]

Back to the original poster's question - so will you be flying in from the U.S.?
If so, something like Barcelona would really work better for you than Ukraine. It's 5-6 more hours on the plane, and 3 more hours time difference. Just the long-ass flights and the jet lag are going to be enough to kill half your fun for the weekend, nevermind the difficulty of pulling ass in such a short time.