[thoughtgypsy]

I've been reading this forum for a while, and many of you guys seem very well versed internationally. While my long term goals may be different from most of you, I think many can at least sympathize with my ideas and give proper advice.

My long term goal is to have a loving family. What I mean by this is to find a woman who is willing to be part of a cooperative partnership and not only driven by her own exclusive interests. I do not demand that she has to be a homemaker 100% of the time, but I can't marry a career woman for their intrinsic selfishness. I don't believe I can find a woman like this in my current environment (DC), nor would I want any future kids to grow up in this environment. I also believe that our national debt, lack of financial and corporate regulations, increase in retired and welfare dependent populations, and the decline of middle class employment opportunities signal an economically unstable future in this country.

As a little background about myself, yes you can consider me a beta. I don't approach women very often and when I do, I rarely take the interaction very far. Part of it is my uneasiness with forcing conversation, and the other part is my belief the chances of finding a woman who is interested in building a stable relationship are very low in this city. With that being said, I have incorporated portions of game into my worldview. I refuse to let people walk all over me, I generally command respect and consider myself masculine besides my lack of initiative. The overwhelming majority of my success with women has come from my social circle, where I have no qualms leading.

With all of that in mind, I don't think the US will be a good place to raise a family. Right now I am saving as much money as possible and researching places where I could live a stable life. I work in support of the government, and some of that work deals with sensitive information. As a result, I am automatically dismissing moving to countries who are actively spying on the US (mostly Eastern European countries and China) as I believe it would put me and others in danger. The type of country I am looking for is one which is safe, does not contain the symptoms of feminism or post-liberalism, with employment opportunities for an engineer. The type of woman I am looking for is White, Asian, or Latina, cares about family, and has feminine qualities.

My initial search has pointed me towards the Philippines and Singapore. If you could provide any insight it would be greatly appreciated as this would be a big step in my life. Thank you!

[Blanco]

Philippines - you won't have trouble finding a wife but if you marry one you are taking care of the whole family as well (someone is always "sick"). Then again cost of living is significantly cheaper if you are smart with your money. Just don't go for the bar/working girls and loyalty is less of an issue. I can't see a filipina being career oriented like you describe and for the most part the filipinos are very friendly and family oriented people. I felt safe when I was there, but like everywhere else in the world there are good and bad areas.

Singapore - westernized country as I'm sure you know and you probably won't have any trouble landing a job with your background. When I went out in Clarke Quay there were girls with bitch shields but that was to be expected. However, there are lots of girls to choose from and not just Asians. Just don't marry one from Orchard Towers. I don't have all the facts and figures but it seemed Singapore was very stable economically and on the uprise (they built a new casino my last visit). Also the country is super clean but I hate the taxi queue system (you can't just hail a cab like in NYC). Singapore is an awesome country in my opinion and I could definitely live there.

[Atlantic]

(02-25-2012 04:16 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

I think many can at least sympathize with my ideas and give proper advice.

There is a saying in Ireland ‘don’t put the cart in front of the horse'.
It means to put things in their correct order and don’t worry about the end goal but focus on the initial goals that lead towards the goal.


You seem disillusioned with the US. Do some travel to a variety of locations and see where resonates with you. I wouldn’t be so paranoid about being spied on after all you did just post that on a public forum in the first place. Hit up South America, Europe, Asia and Australia for a few months and see how you feel after that. If you really want a happy marriage you must be able to bring something to the plate and have a decent level of game to start with. Work on yourself as a person and your ideal girl will find you. If you haven’t earned something you won’t appreciate it when you get it.


Take it or leave it but my advice is to travel, experience some new places, girls and adventures and see where that takes you.
Keep us posted man and best of luck.

[thoughtgypsy]

(02-25-2012 05:07 PM)Blanco Wrote:  

Philippines - you won't have trouble finding a wife but if you marry one you are taking care of the whole family as well (someone is always "sick"). Then again cost of living is significantly cheaper if you are smart with your money. Just don't go for the bar/working girls and loyalty is less of an issue. I can't see a filipina being career oriented like you describe and for the most part the filipinos are very friendly and family oriented people. I felt safe when I was there, but like everywhere else in the world there are good and bad areas.

This sounds like a lifestyle I could be happy with. I'll plan a visit there and research the industries there.

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Singapore - westernized country as I'm sure you know and you probably won't have any trouble landing a job with your background. When I went out in Clarke Quay there were girls with bitch shields but that was to be expected. However, there are lots of girls to choose from and not just Asians. Just don't marry one from Orchard Towers. I don't have all the facts and figures but it seemed Singapore was very stable economically and on the uprise (they built a new casino my last visit). Also the country is super clean but I hate the taxi queue system (you can't just hail a cab like in NYC). Singapore is an awesome country in my opinion and I could definitely live there.

The reason Singapore drew my eye was its high gdp per capita, low level of government corruption, and economic growth. After doing a quick browsing of the nation on google maps, it appears as though Singapore is a very metropolitan culture. My experience with these kind of areas suggests that people are generally more cold and less family-oriented, though the fact that most people are of singapore-chinese heritage may reverse a great deal of that through Confucian culture. There seem to be long-term issues with birthrate/immigration. I'm a bit less convinced on this one...

Irishman Wrote:

There is a saying in Ireland ‘don’t put the cart in front of the horse'.
It means to put things in their correct order and don’t worry about the end goal but focus on the initial goals that lead towards the goal.


You seem disillusioned with the US. Do some travel to a variety of locations and see where resonates with you. I wouldn’t be so paranoid about being spied on after all you did just post that on a public forum in the first place. Hit up South America, Europe, Asia and Australia for a few months and see how you feel after that. If you really want a happy marriage you must be able to bring something to the plate and have a decent level of game to start with. Work on yourself as a person and your ideal girl will find you. If you haven’t earned something you won’t appreciate it when you get it.


Take it or leave it but my advice is to travel, experience some new places, girls and adventures and see where that takes you.
Keep us posted man and best of luck.

You are right: I am disillusioned with the US. I love all of the opportunities I've been granted here and what it's meant for my family over generations, but I feel that it's no longer the right place to raise a family. I have seen a great deal of Europe through my travels (Germany, Austria, England, Ireland, Wales), and thoroughly enjoyed my time there. I especially enjoyed the southeast of England and eastern Ireland (Galway area), and found the people overwhelmingly pleasant. I could definitely live in these places, though I believe they suffer some of the same economic and social-lib ills as the US. I could say the same for most countries in Europe too, except for maybe Poland and the baltic states(?). I have yet to see Asia and South America, though South America seems too politically and economically unstable for my taste. This is the major reason I've focused mainly on Asia. I am pretty ignorant otherwise, so if there are any countries I am completely failing to mention that fit the bill of having family-oriented people and a stable economic future, please enlighten me.

I understand what you mean about bringing something to the table in marriage, and I think a large reason for the breakdown in relationships is the fault of men being unable to comprehend and provide for women's desires and happiness. That being said, I have a lot of things going for me. Non-american women seem to appreciate it more, considering the last two hookups were with a french canadian and an anglo. The major inspiration for my desire to move is the fact that most american women don't bring much to the table.

It's a big step, so I'll take your advice and experience each place a few months at a time. My plan is to focus on my overall enjoyment of the women and communities as much as the countries themselves.

Guys- thank you so much for sharing your experiences and words of advice. I'll make the best of it

[rudebwoy]

I think you need to do more travelling which will give you more life experience. If you plan on moving overseas you will need a skill/job that is in demand. I am not sure why you think Eastern European countries are spying on US, but those would be the countries I would look at. In fact I have my eye on a particular country in that region, still doing the homework although the only issue is if I can handle living there without knowing too many people.
Also if you are American you will need a work permit or visa to work in Europe and most other places.

[CJ_W]

(02-26-2012 10:42 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

Singapore.

Singapore is an awesome country, I would recommend it over the Philippines. The Philippines gets STRONG Typhoons yearly, in which thousands of people die, their infrastructure just isn't up to par with that (I know a few people I met that either live in the Philippines or were born there and left.)

What I would suggest you do:

Set up shop in Singapore, maybe with your own business or what not, DO NOT marry Singaporean girls (they are getting way too feminized there) head over to Thailand, and bring a Thai girl over from there, wife her up in Thailand then move to Singapore and live happily ever after. Thai girls treat their men a lot better than the Singaporeans do.

You could also set up a parent company in Singapore, and invest in companies in other SEA countries like the phils, indonesia, thailand etc. . . If you've got enough money and time to research, that would be a good plan of action.

For marriage purposes outside of doing the EE route or south America route I'd say this is the best. You don't want to marry a Japanese woman. . .you really don't. Seriously, don't haha. China would probably be good for you if you weren't in your situation(a guy on the board lives in China, and believes that there are many girls who would love to start a family and be 100% dedicated to their husbands/family raising). So I think the Thailand wife/Singapore living situation would be the best plan of action for you.

Personally I plan to live in Tokyo myself but I'll need to get a nice passive flow of money, either from doing real estate there, or owning a business. . .so I'm working towards that goal myself. But I don't plan to get married/have kids. . .just bang the locals haha. (Logistics are just too good for that)

[evilhei]

(02-26-2012 11:00 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I think you need to do more travelling which will give you more life experience. If you plan on moving overseas you will need a skill/job that is in demand. I am not sure why you think Eastern European countries are spying on US, but those would be the countries I would look at. In fact I have my eye on a particular country in that region, still doing the homework although the only issue is if I can handle living there without knowing too many people.
Also if you are American you will need a work permit or visa to work in Europe and most other places.

Im not sure either why would you think that EE countries are spying on US but I suggest Estonia. If you say you are an engineer then for example there is massive shortage of IT engineers here and wages are actually pretty much the same as in Western Europe. For example Skype R&D center is here and its not uncommon for IT engineers to earn 5-6k euros per month but cost of living is maybe 60-70% of west.

Also its small country and not that many foreigners are living here, that means its easier for you to make name yourself and build up social circle only because you are foreigner.