[SimonRierdon]

@G

"I have thought about having a live-in maid and a chef when I am older.

That would be G.

But the question is this:

Would this be beta, if I did that?"

Hell no that wouldn't be beta. Especially if your fucking the maid and the chef is female and you're fucking her too.

[Only One Man]

(02-23-2012 04:19 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

And 5 minutes after my last post I log into facebook and see this posted by my cousins fat wife who shops in her PJs

For fucks sake. I see one of these kind of memes or whatever you call them almost everyday on facebook these days. Did you comment on it and call her out?

[Mr.GM]

(02-23-2012 01:47 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I was out running today. During that hour I saw the following on THREE separate occasions. I see this pretty much EVERY time I go out for a run:

Short, brown, what appeared to me to be central american or Oaxacan housekeepers/nannys walking white kids in strollers. We're talking on busy streets here too, with people commuting at 50 MPH a few feet away.

Now, I know that's going to trigger some racial BS for some folks, but let me say now I don't give two shits about color or background. I work in a kitchen professionally and my closest acquaintances are latinos, and more often than not I prefer their company.

What pisses me off is I'm pretty sure the moms of these kids are too busy getting botox or shopping on Rodeo drive TO WALK THEIR OWN GODDAMN KIDS IN A STROLLER. Seriously, when the hell did THAT become too big of a chore? In addition to American women completely nosediving on every last domestic ability, now they can't take their own kids for a walk.

Maybe it's just L.A. I dunno. I can't imagine a worse place to try and settle down and raise a family.

Makes me sick to my stomach.

This is not only in America .

Here in São Paulo , Brazil , it is very normal to see black maids walking white kids in strollers while mommy and daddy are shopping or absent. In any upper-class area or fancy mall you see scenes like that daily.

[el mechanico]

(02-23-2012 06:10 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 04:19 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

And 5 minutes after my last post I log into facebook and see this posted by my cousins fat wife who shops in her PJs

For fucks sake. I see one of these kind of memes or whatever you call them almost everyday on facebook these days. Did you comment on it and call her out?

Not on that one. She's so retarded that she wouldn't understand anyway.

The girls on there are posting dumb girl and I'm a bitch but,, type memes on there all day long now. My posts are about the same that they are on here. Ya know..the picture and such

[Timoteo]

Nannies and other paid servants are status symbols. They could manage things like basic cleaning and cooking, but think they're too good for it. Also, the help has to be someone who the hubby won't want to fuck.

[Veloce]

(02-23-2012 07:34 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Nannies and other paid servants are status symbols. They could manage things like basic cleaning and cooking, but think they're too good for it. Also, the help has to be someone who the hubby won't want to fuck.

I guess it just seems like I'm seeing more of it. I grew up in a much more working class neighborhood. If you saw a little brown lady walking a couple blonde white kids she'd probably have the cops on her in 2 minutes.

As an aside, I've done some catering for high profile celebs in L.A., and after being in numerous mansions and seeing the dynamic that wealthy people have in their relationships I can say that 99% of them are completely dysfunctional. It's not just American women, it's upper crust society in general.

[Basil Ransom]

(02-24-2012 01:20 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 07:34 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Nannies and other paid servants are status symbols. They could manage things like basic cleaning and cooking, but think they're too good for it. Also, the help has to be someone who the hubby won't want to fuck.

I guess it just seems like I'm seeing more of it. I grew up in a much more working class neighborhood. If you saw a little brown lady walking a couple blonde white kids she'd probably have the cops on her in 2 minutes.

As an aside, I've done some catering for high profile celebs in L.A., and after being in numerous mansions and seeing the dynamic that wealthy people have in their relationships I can say that 99% of them are completely dysfunctional. It's not just American women, it's upper crust society in general.

Keep in mind though that's Hollywood money. High profile celebs =/= wealthy people in general. Your run of the mill upper middle class families, eg household income 100-500k, are probably the most stable segment in society. If there's any place where rich people are especially dysfunctional, it's Hollywood. Go to somewhere like La Canada, and it's probably a whole lot different.

[Veloce]

(02-24-2012 01:50 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 01:20 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 07:34 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Nannies and other paid servants are status symbols. They could manage things like basic cleaning and cooking, but think they're too good for it. Also, the help has to be someone who the hubby won't want to fuck.

I guess it just seems like I'm seeing more of it. I grew up in a much more working class neighborhood. If you saw a little brown lady walking a couple blonde white kids she'd probably have the cops on her in 2 minutes.

As an aside, I've done some catering for high profile celebs in L.A., and after being in numerous mansions and seeing the dynamic that wealthy people have in their relationships I can say that 99% of them are completely dysfunctional. It's not just American women, it's upper crust society in general.

Keep in mind though that's Hollywood money. High profile celebs =/= wealthy people in general. Your run of the mill upper middle class families, eg household income 100-500k, are probably the most stable segment in society. If there's any place where rich people are especially dysfunctional, it's Hollywood. Go to somewhere like La Canada, and it's probably a whole lot different.

true dat. It's actually worse than Hollywood. Most catering I've done is in Beverly Hills and Brentwood

[Mrs. Chocolate]

(02-23-2012 06:22 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 01:47 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I was out running today. During that hour I saw the following on THREE separate occasions. I see this pretty much EVERY time I go out for a run:

Short, brown, what appeared to me to be central american or Oaxacan housekeepers/nannys walking white kids in strollers. We're talking on busy streets here too, with people commuting at 50 MPH a few feet away.

Now, I know that's going to trigger some racial BS for some folks, but let me say now I don't give two shits about color or background. I work in a kitchen professionally and my closest acquaintances are latinos, and more often than not I prefer their company.

What pisses me off is I'm pretty sure the moms of these kids are too busy getting botox or shopping on Rodeo drive TO WALK THEIR OWN GODDAMN KIDS IN A STROLLER. Seriously, when the hell did THAT become too big of a chore? In addition to American women completely nosediving on every last domestic ability, now they can't take their own kids for a walk.

Maybe it's just L.A. I dunno. I can't imagine a worse place to try and settle down and raise a family.

Makes me sick to my stomach.

This is not only in America .

Here in São Paulo , Brazil , it is very normal to see black maids walking white kids in strollers while mommy and daddy are shopping or absent. In any upper-class area or fancy mall you see scenes like that daily.

Exacly. I hate during SUNDAY those people walking around with maids and ONE KID. Some couples really needs help (twins, for example). But seriously? Sunday?
I thought that I was the only one pissed. Just walk around Oscar Freire and Itaim and you will see dozens of children with the white dressed maids and no moms.

[joehoya]

I'll do you guys one better:

I was having lunch at a higher-end downtown Chicago restaurant a few months ago and I was seated next to a table of obviously financially well off women. One of the women was discussing how her and her husband decided to use a "gestational carrier" to carry there baby. I didn't know what the fuck it was until she kept talking. Basically, a "gestational carrier" is a woman who will allow herself to the fertilized embryo of another couple implanted in her. She is pregnant with a baby that is not genetically hers.

At first I felt bad for the woman at the table. She has all this money but can't deliver a child. Then I kept listening and realized that this chick didn't have any medical condition that keeps her from having kids. SHE WAS JUST TOO FUCKING LAZY TO CARRY HER OWN CHILD FOR NINE MONTHS.

She kept going on and on about how great it was that she didn't have to deal with the pain, discomfort, and weight gain from pregnancy, but she still wound up with a baby that was genetically hers. Then she starts in about how "we rely on professionals in so many areas of our life, why not this?" I actually lost my appetite listening to this chick and her friends.

Is this what we have come to?

[thegmanifesto]

(02-24-2012 10:05 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

I'll do you guys one better:

I was having lunch at a higher-end downtown Chicago restaurant a few months ago and I was seated next to a table of obviously financially well off women. One of the women was discussing how her and her husband decided to use a "gestational carrier" to carry there baby. I didn't know what the fuck it was until she kept talking. Basically, a "gestational carrier" is a woman who will allow herself to the fertilized embryo of another couple implanted in her. She is pregnant with a baby that is not genetically hers.

At first I felt bad for the woman at the table. She has all this money but can't deliver a child. Then I kept listening and realized that this chick didn't have any medical condition that keeps her from having kids. SHE WAS JUST TOO FUCKING LAZY TO CARRY HER OWN CHILD FOR NINE MONTHS.

She kept going on and on about how great it was that she didn't have to deal with the pain, discomfort, and weight gain from pregnancy, but she still wound up with a baby that was genetically hers. Then she starts in about how "we rely on professionals in so many areas of our life, why not this?" I actually lost my appetite listening to this chick and her friends.

Is this what we have come to?

Did she out-source it to China?

Or did she keep it in America?

[Neo]

(02-24-2012 10:05 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

I'll do you guys one better:

I was having lunch at a higher-end downtown Chicago restaurant a few months ago and I was seated next to a table of obviously financially well off women. One of the women was discussing how her and her husband decided to use a "gestational carrier" to carry there baby. I didn't know what the fuck it was until she kept talking. Basically, a "gestational carrier" is a woman who will allow herself to the fertilized embryo of another couple implanted in her. She is pregnant with a baby that is not genetically hers.

At first I felt bad for the woman at the table. She has all this money but can't deliver a child. Then I kept listening and realized that this chick didn't have any medical condition that keeps her from having kids. SHE WAS JUST TOO FUCKING LAZY TO CARRY HER OWN CHILD FOR NINE MONTHS.

She kept going on and on about how great it was that she didn't have to deal with the pain, discomfort, and weight gain from pregnancy, but she still wound up with a baby that was genetically hers. Then she starts in about how "we rely on professionals in so many areas of our life, why not this?" I actually lost my appetite listening to this chick and her friends.

Is this what we have come to?

Wow. I thought things were getting bad, but I have never heard a story like that.

The 'housewife' type of American female seems to have completely died out.

[Veloce]

(02-24-2012 10:21 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 10:05 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

I'll do you guys one better:

I was having lunch at a higher-end downtown Chicago restaurant a few months ago and I was seated next to a table of obviously financially well off women. One of the women was discussing how her and her husband decided to use a "gestational carrier" to carry there baby. I didn't know what the fuck it was until she kept talking. Basically, a "gestational carrier" is a woman who will allow herself to the fertilized embryo of another couple implanted in her. She is pregnant with a baby that is not genetically hers.

At first I felt bad for the woman at the table. She has all this money but can't deliver a child. Then I kept listening and realized that this chick didn't have any medical condition that keeps her from having kids. SHE WAS JUST TOO FUCKING LAZY TO CARRY HER OWN CHILD FOR NINE MONTHS.

She kept going on and on about how great it was that she didn't have to deal with the pain, discomfort, and weight gain from pregnancy, but she still wound up with a baby that was genetically hers. Then she starts in about how "we rely on professionals in so many areas of our life, why not this?" I actually lost my appetite listening to this chick and her friends.

Is this what we have come to?

Did she out-source it to China?

Or did she keep it in America?

That's okay, because more and more men are going to outsource their pussy from other countries.

I've been enjoying the pleasures of dating a Filipina. Girl's cleaned my place a couple times, does my laundry, great cook, can suck the head off of a doorknob, is always dtf and is a downright freak in bed. Before her it was other asians and latinas. Haven't dated white in several years and haven't looked back.

[joehoya]

(02-24-2012 10:21 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Did she out-source it to China?

Or did she keep it in America?

She didn't specify. The only specifics that I heard about the surrogate was that the carrier had a few kids of her own, and been a surrogate before, and all of the kids came out healthy.

[UrbanNerd]

My daughter is now 9, but when she was 2, we had her in a curriculum-based daycare. By age 5, school was all day. I never had a nanny because I didn't need one.

I will say this, I feel that a stay-at-home Mom is needed only when a couple has 2 or more kids of a very young age because daycare costs are so much.

If there is just ONE KID, there is no reason for a stay-at-home Mom. That "taking care of the house" stuff is OVERRATED and I cannot believe how many men have fell for that junk. A grown-azz woman needs to bring home some damn money. I am not trading in a meal and some clothes being ironed for and 2nd salary. Besides, I am not knocking up (and my daughter's Mom is proof) a chick who doesn't make good money anyway.

[Timoteo]

(02-24-2012 10:05 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

I'll do you guys one better:

I was having lunch at a higher-end downtown Chicago restaurant a few months ago and I was seated next to a table of obviously financially well off women. One of the women was discussing how her and her husband decided to use a "gestational carrier" to carry there baby. I didn't know what the fuck it was until she kept talking. Basically, a "gestational carrier" is a woman who will allow herself to the fertilized embryo of another couple implanted in her. She is pregnant with a baby that is not genetically hers.

At first I felt bad for the woman at the table. She has all this money but can't deliver a child. Then I kept listening and realized that this chick didn't have any medical condition that keeps her from having kids. SHE WAS JUST TOO FUCKING LAZY TO CARRY HER OWN CHILD FOR NINE MONTHS.

She kept going on and on about how great it was that she didn't have to deal with the pain, discomfort, and weight gain from pregnancy, but she still wound up with a baby that was genetically hers. Then she starts in about how "we rely on professionals in so many areas of our life, why not this?" I actually lost my appetite listening to this chick and her friends.

Is this what we have come to?

Yes...women that can afford it are now using surrogates not because they CAN'T carry a child, but because they don't want to. Sarah Jessica Parker had a kid naturally, but then had twins via a surrogate. She supposedly had trouble getting pregnant again (but didn't elaborate on if she tried in-vitro), so she and Matthew Broderick decided to get a surrogate to carry her next kid, which turned out to be twins. A woman hiring another human being to gestate their own child when they are perfectly able is SICKENING. It's like purchasing a baby as an accessory. You can't breast feed the child, and I have to believe you're not as bonded to the child as you would be if you carried for nine months and went through the pain of childbirth. It's vanity at its worst - you don't want to have to work to get back in shape for the sake of your own child.

[babelfish669]

(02-23-2012 07:34 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Nannies and other paid servants are status symbols. They could manage things like basic cleaning and cooking, but think they're too good for it. Also, the help has to be someone who the hubby won't want to fuck.

Unless your husband is Arnold Schwarzenegger

[Timoteo]

(02-25-2012 01:48 PM)babelfish669 Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 07:34 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Nannies and other paid servants are status symbols. They could manage things like basic cleaning and cooking, but think they're too good for it. Also, the help has to be someone who the hubby won't want to fuck.

Unless your husband is Arnold Schwarzenegger

HA HA! But you saw that chick, and Arnold probably didn't fuck her because she was attractive. She was merely convenient. He's a famous actor AND the Governor - he couldn't go out hunting for something else. Most other guys can pass on the little Guatamalen and bang something they really ARE attracted to.

[Blunt]

(02-24-2012 10:05 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

I'll do you guys one better:

I was having lunch at a higher-end downtown Chicago restaurant a few months ago and I was seated next to a table of obviously financially well off women. One of the women was discussing how her and her husband decided to use a "gestational carrier" to carry there baby. I didn't know what the fuck it was until she kept talking. Basically, a "gestational carrier" is a woman who will allow herself to the fertilized embryo of another couple implanted in her. She is pregnant with a baby that is not genetically hers.

At first I felt bad for the woman at the table. She has all this money but can't deliver a child. Then I kept listening and realized that this chick didn't have any medical condition that keeps her from having kids. SHE WAS JUST TOO FUCKING LAZY TO CARRY HER OWN CHILD FOR NINE MONTHS.

She kept going on and on about how great it was that she didn't have to deal with the pain, discomfort, and weight gain from pregnancy, but she still wound up with a baby that was genetically hers. Then she starts in about how "we rely on professionals in so many areas of our life, why not this?" I actually lost my appetite listening to this chick and her friends.

Is this what we have come to?

Part 7041 of Why I Will Never Start a Family with an American Woman

[LowerCaseG]

(02-23-2012 04:20 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 03:21 PM)Baldwin81 Wrote:  

It's not always the the stay-at-home wife/mother that "can't be bothered" to stay with the kid all the time.

When a blue-pill provider man and a modern career woman have a child their already-too-high expenses go up. They both need to work to maintain the lifestyle, neither can or wants to stay home, but they most certainly don't want to do the "prolie" daycare option. Enter the nanny.
...

Sometimes I think that modern, upper-middle class America is the most depressing mind-fuck in the history of civilization.

I haven't done the math, but I think you could live nearly as well having your wife as a housewife, i.e. on one income:

1. Only one car.
2. She homeschools the kids --> don't have to live in a distant suburb that's expensive because it has good schools. Lower rent, lower commute time. Could live close enough to work to walk, bike or use public transport.
3. Shop at Costco, cook at home.
4. No nannies, maids, cooks, gardeners. Wife cooks, cleans, gardens, even sews.
5. Try living in a smaller place close to a park, so that a small-sized home won't be such a big deal.

What are the major expenses? Rent, car, food, clothes. Set it up right, and you could potentially slash all of those.

Question is, how many American women would sign up for that?

I have a friend of mine from high school, he is expecting his 2nd child shortly. We/they live in a high end suburb. They will be paying $3400 for 2 kids in child care. Whats crazy is that they wife has a decent job making around 50k/year. Its has a little bit more prestige than the salary would indicate.
She cant be taking home much more than 4k a month from her job. Basically, she is working so she can send the 2 toddlers to day care.
What?????
These 2 aren't stupid either and my friend is not your typical beta.

The reasons for this are:
1. She will go crazy if she is stuck in the house with the kids all day.
2. Her career is important.

Anyway, they will probably wind up getting a live in illegal nanny or something like that, I doubt they will pay the $3400 for very long, but why would you even consider doing something like that its crazy.

Stupid Americans.

[Menace]

Well, if the mother is a stay at home mom, and they get divorced, then he is going to get even more raped than usual. So, it seems like it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[Cincinnatus]

(02-26-2012 10:34 AM)Menace Wrote:  

Well, if the mother is a stay at home mom, and they get divorced, then he is going to get even more raped than usual. So, it seems like it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

There's a lesson to be had, then: Don't play the game.