[Pilgrim37]

Some guy wrote this on MSN....evidence does not tally with his observations,but he still got it published.

Some guy called Sean left a witty comment at the end which made me laugh

http://him.uk.msn.com/in-the-know/men-wh...to-be-beta

[jackson.henley]

I believe that the terms beta and alpha male have been redefined and reworked beyond recognition.

But still, a castrated (beta) male is much less of a threat and does not impinge on the 'strong' & 'independent' view of how the world should be (in her image, of course). There are more and more females who prefer this type of complacent male. I see it in the US and EU all the time. esp among the 16-20 yo. crowd.

[gringochileno]

Of course anyone who's ever had any social interaction with women will know from direct experience that this article's conclusions are way off-base, but I found one part in particular that really shows just how twisted around the reasoning is:

Quote:

A modern western woman earns her own money, making an alpha's earning potential less of a draw. She's free to choose what she really wants, which might still be a chiselled, proud alpha male, but is equally likely to be a loving, respectful beta.

This quote is the epitome of why the article has it exactly wrong. Modern society has done quite the opposite--women don't need to hitch themselves to a boring provider beta because they have their own money, which has unleashed the female id in all its hypergamous, asshole alpha-loving glory. The mistake is to confuse the "alpha male"--the man who women find sexually attractive--with the man who's financially secure but may be completely unsuccessful with women. An alpha could be a powerful CEO, but he could just as well be a broke bartender.

In short: mainstream dating advice incongruent with reality, news at 11.

[germanico]

These feminists and chumps seem to operate under the assumption that the characteristics of a "nice man" are incompatible to those of an assertive, confident male.

[Chad Daring]

(02-15-2012 08:42 PM)germanico Wrote:  

These feminists and chumps seem to operate under the assumption that the characteristics of a "nice man" are incompatible to those of an assertive, confident male.

+1

Asshole game works, no doubt, but its not the only way to play the game.

[hydrogonian]

(02-15-2012 08:45 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Asshole game works, no doubt, but its not the only way to play the game.

There is definately a point where it can start to work against you. I find that I need to have a balance with msot women now, but its not alwasy easy to know where the ideal balance lies. Usually, the more experienced a woman is the more that she is receptive to nice guy game (due to her being damaged by assholes).

Young girls = direct / asshole game

Older women / damaged women = nice guy game mixed with enough directness to communciate that it's not your first rodeo.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

These shitty articles about betas come only from the (flawed) assumption that the Beta is the 2nd most important member of the tribe (as implied by 2nd position in Greek alphabet) who gets to fuck all women whom the Alpha can't fuck, which is many of them. But it's not true. In reality, the top 10% alphas directly and indirectly hoard over half of quality women. The Beta male is left with nothing. We don't live in tribes. The Beta as these articles fantasize it to be would still be extremely Alpha in our world (think Charlie Sheen just after Silvio Berlusconi).

[Richie]

Heres another good article I read on the tube this morning:
http://www.shortlist.com/home/the-fall-o...alpha-male

Alphas just comes across as narcissists. If your'e American and a natural Alpha... and want to do well in Europe, I'd probably tone it down a bit. Girls actually like nice guys over here.

I take everything the self proclaimed Alphas say on this board say with a pinch of salt. For example I think it's useful to remain distant from a girl until you are sure she likes you. Apart from that you are denying yourself any kind of human emotion.

[Neo]

(02-15-2012 08:42 PM)germanico Wrote:  

These feminists and chumps seem to operate under the assumption that the characteristics of a "nice man" are incompatible to those of an assertive, confident male.

This. The Alpha Beta thing has been taken way too far and misinterpreted for way too long now.

[Roosh]

Quote:

If your'e American and a natural Alpha... and want to do well in Europe, I'd probably tone it down a bit. Girls actually like nice guys over here.

Yes, game is local.

[UrbanNerd]

I always believed in taking bits and pieces of anything I read and use it in a way that best suits me. I am not trying to win some "Alpha Man Of The Year" award. I am trying to bang chicks with as little money and little time spent while trying to maximize her looks.

[Caligula]

(02-16-2012 09:58 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

If your'e American and a natural Alpha... and want to do well in Europe, I'd probably tone it down a bit. Girls actually like nice guys over here.

Yes, game is local.

Quote:

University of Stirling found that large numbers of women did indeed favour manlier men. So far, so good for the alpha male.

The problem? Those women tended to live in poor countries where disease was rife. The researchers theorised that manly, alpha males tend to have plenty of testosterone swimming round, and testosterone is suggestive of good, hardy genes (for rather complex biological reasons). Women in poor countries fancied alpha males most because those tough genes would be passed on to any resulting children.

But the same results were not found in women from rich countries where everyone has plenty to eat and easy access to good healthcare. In those countries, the alphas had no mating advantage, the study found.

First, it's hard to imagine that alphas have no mating advantage in these countries. How did they define alpha and how did they define mating advantage?

More beta-style game being effective is evident in Scandinavia to some extent. But the opposite is true too, that affluence frees women to pursue the alphas they crave. I wonder why it has different consequences in different affluent countries. Roissy had a great post arguing that prosperity is the problem - http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/02/1...e-problem/ - but prosperity has different results in different cultures, even if the end result for society will end up being the same.

As for alphas having more, shorter relationships - sign me up!

[MrXY]

(02-16-2012 12:05 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 08:45 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Asshole game works, no doubt, but its not the only way to play the game.

There is definately a point where it can start to work against you. I find that I need to have a balance with msot women now, but its not alwasy easy to know where the ideal balance lies. Usually, the more experienced a woman is the more that she is receptive to nice guy game (due to her being damaged by assholes).

Young girls = direct / asshole game

Older women / damaged women = nice guy game mixed with enough directness to communciate that it's not your first rodeo.

As someone whose target group is more or less 26 to 38 I have found this to be true.

What works for me is to be strong alpha with some assholish mixed in for the first 30 min or so. This sparks her attraction and establishes your alpha cred.

After that mixing together nice guy with occasional flashes of alpha gives her the impression that she could have a relationship with you but that you would remain sexy and attractive to her i.e. not a pushover

[americanInEurope]

I'm a big black dude so by default people assume that I'm alpha. A little too much. I find if I tone it down a touch, act a little beta around new chicks, it often works to my advantage. A little less big scary Old spice commercial guy and more new somewhat feminine Old Spice commercial guy.

[bface]

(02-16-2012 05:17 AM)Richie Wrote:  

Alphas just comes across as narcissists. If your'e American and a natural Alpha... and want to do well in Europe, I'd probably tone it down a bit. Girls actually like nice guys over here.

Is there another Europe I don't know of?

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Indeed! Where is this other Europe? Obviously, Eastern Europe doesn't count.

[Gmac]

Those old spice commercials are always fucking hilarious. I love it.