[ElJefe]

Had to look up how that word is really spelled...

Anyways, I've been getting numbers, but I'm getting flaked on like crazy. I'm getting a bit tired of getting blown off at the same point.

Till now I´ve been trying to get hamsters to meet up for drinks, a beer or wine depending on what type I think she is. Is this too suggestive and do I need to cater more to the rationalization monster in her head by suggesting coffee or something harmless, then if I meet with success, transition?

Possible downsides?

[velkrum]

no real advice for you, we all deal with flaking. Just play the numbers game and develop your game around your lifestyle and interests.

[Caligula]

What's your flake to successful meetup ratio? How are they flaking? Some level of flaking is to be expected, but if it's too high you're probably doing something wrong in the lead-up.

It's most likely down to you not building enough rapport before getting the number. The more excited a girl is to see you, the less likely she is to flake. Girls make time to see guys they're really into.

If you haven't built enough rapport calling them on the phone can be good to get them more into it.

You're not doing anything wrong inviting them for drinks. Coffee is not for closers where players are concerned.

[Chad Daring]

I actually tend to go with coffee first myself, as Caligula said coffee is not for closers, thats why I dont close with coffee. Coffee is just to get her in the same place as you then I jump to a nearby bar or some place else.

[ElJefe]

(02-10-2012 02:31 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

What's your flake to successful meetup ratio? How are they flaking? Some level of flaking is to be expected, but if it's too high you're probably doing something wrong in the lead-up.

It's most likely down to you not building enough rapport before getting the number. The more excited a girl is to see you, the less likely she is to flake. Girls make time to see guys they're really into.

If you haven't built enough rapport calling them on the phone can be good to get them more into it.

You're not doing anything wrong inviting them for drinks. Coffee is not for closers where players are concerned.

Possibly this.

Thanks for the advice, gents. To be honest, I don't think my game has changed such that flake ratio has increased. I actually think there may be a cultural shift where more flakiness is the norm. Interesting, I'm talking about girls mid-20s.

So perhaps my game has stayed at the same level but things have just gotten harder. I didn't used to have this problem. I probably need to re-learn comfort building. Any suggestions where to start? I know a couple of naturals but they'd never be able to explain this.

I'd say two thirds of numbers flake. It's ridiculous. But yeah, like grab a coffee and if sparks fly, move to a bar. Swoop accordingly. I'm just getting a number/make-out or both, then she'll agree to meet up and same day, I get a message "can we reschedule" which I now almost expect.

[Caligula]

It's comes down to comfort, raising sexual tension (see Tuth's Recipe for First Date Bangs) and making yourself stand out. Convey that there's something unique about you that a girl would not have in her life without you.

Are you getting the numbers at night? In that case experiment with cold reads.

Bang has a particular routine (details elude me, punchline is about saving money on your car insurance) that Roosh says makes a big difference to your outcomes. Start experimenting with routines like that. You can start with the Love Test or similar - http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/06/0...a-routine/

Before it became played out I ran The Cube or lame palm reading routines and they made me memorable to girls. They felt a connection with me. You go from being just a dude who she had a conversation with to someone who is different and who she feels some connection with. Played right this will reduce the flake factor.

[iknowexactly]

The Matrix continues to exert tighter and tighter control via The Pod. People work ever more hours. The Fantasy Substitute appears ever more real to drones, especially young pretty ones that control directly-- and even more indirectly--Vortex Spending, so-called because it involves the vast network of controlled psych reinforcers leading to spending funneling money to the .01 percent.

Fucking without pregnancy is High-Reward Non-Vortex Activity (HiRNoVa), which is always indirectly discouraged by Social Media Crowding Out.

The Pod Has Them.

Fight the Pod!!!

The [psychological] walls of your Pod are made up of Facewhore, Sex Porn, War Porn, Wealth Porn, Advertising, Brandism, Manufactured False Need, Corporate Addictions ( cigarettes) and HRNOVA discouragement.

Matrix controls all these things. You generally cannot fight the Matrix directly as he levers are carefully guarded (access to Hollywood, capital, and Media) but the walls of your Pod are permeable and consist largely of implanted ideas unwittingly adopted by you at the behest of Matrix transmissions.

The goal of capitalism is to reduce all social interaction to the cash nexus.

A kiss benefits no billionaires.

[Smitty]

(02-10-2012 01:52 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

Had to look up how that word is really spelled...

Anyways, I've been getting numbers, but I'm getting flaked on like crazy. I'm getting a bit tired of getting blown off at the same point.

Till now I´ve been trying to get hamsters to meet up for drinks, a beer or wine depending on what type I think she is. Is this too suggestive and do I need to cater more to the rationalization monster in her head by suggesting coffee or something harmless, then if I meet with success, transition?

Possible downsides?

Are you pulling from online dating? Flake ratio is much higher for online girls. Even the ugliest of the ugly have options when they use online dating.
God hates men.

[iknowexactly]

(02-10-2012 11:36 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-10-2012 01:52 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

Had to look up how that word is really spelled...

Anyways, I've been getting numbers, but I'm getting flaked on like crazy. I'm getting a bit tired of getting blown off at the same point.

Till now I´ve been trying to get hamsters to meet up for drinks, a beer or wine depending on what type I think she is. Is this too suggestive and do I need to cater more to the rationalization monster in her head by suggesting coffee or something harmless, then if I meet with success, transition?

Possible downsides?

Are you pulling from online dating? Flake ratio is much higher for online girls. Even the ugliest of the ugly have options when they use online dating.
God hates men.

Online dating seems pretty weak unless you fit all the checkboxes they have in their minds-- age, height, image... If you miss on one point they can keep their fantasies going by aiming at the vast pool of (mostly unattainable) YCTG ( Young Cool Tall Guys) even though their chances are weak.

I've been getting number flakes recently in EE, meaning they will give me their number but followup is:

50% never respond at all to text
25% respond but it is so half hearted you know they won't fuck- they place a lot of conditions on meeting, want to bring their friends, etc.
25% are wiling to hang out but I haven't gotten any real action yet out of about 10 numbers

I'm thinking now of trying to screen harder earlier, by getting an agreement during the initial meeting to meet at a certain place and time .
That way, you can see earlier if they are not really into it "I have to see, I have to <do this excuse> and also < other lie that shows she's not into you> .

Using Roosh's day game screening of waiting for her to ask personal questions will help you see who's interested.

The benefit of setting a real date and location is if they vacillate you pretty much know you're screwed and realize you have to approach more.

Probably Roosh's best maxim is "All game is numbers game." There's no substitute for being an Approach Machine.

[Deb Auchery]

(02-10-2012 03:27 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

I actually tend to go with coffee first myself, as Caligula said coffee is not for closers, thats why I dont close with coffee. Coffee is just to get her in the same place as you then I jump to a nearby bar or some place else.

Me too, I have no problem going on coffee dates here, I have no need to get in a girl's knickers within 30 minutes. If I was visiting another city that would be a different story.

[Pilgrim37]

Only one way to respond to flakiness....Delete number and move on.

If they had a genuine reason to not respond or turn up and they are interested they'll be in touch.

[Laner]

Damn, I am glad I am not the only one experiencing this.

Maybe its a newish Scandinavian thing. I have a drawer full of numbers already, so if I crunch the numbers quickly, I would guess a 60-70% flake rate for me as well.

I have no idea why girls would be giving out their numbers with no intentions of returning calls.

I feel for ya Jefe. This shit is maddening.

[Samseau]

Why are you going for numbers?




Might as well buy lottery tickets and hope you strike it rich...

[FretDancer]

(02-11-2012 01:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  



Why are you going for numbers?




Might as well buy lottery tickets and hope you strike it rich...

I can safely answer this question with lack of logistics, I think its the biggest thing affecting my game.

[ElJefe]

(02-11-2012 01:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  



Why are you going for numbers?




Might as well buy lottery tickets and hope you strike it rich...

Often it's because she's headed to the next venue with her posse. I have read your threads and am going to focus on SNL, but still... if she takes off, why not get the number if you thought you were doing well.

[Samseau]

(02-11-2012 01:54 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 01:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  



Why are you going for numbers?




Might as well buy lottery tickets and hope you strike it rich...

Often it's because she's headed to the next venue with her posse. I have read your threads and am going to focus on SNL, but still... if she takes off, why not get the number if you thought you were doing well.

Because you aren't doing well if she doesn't want to stay with you.

If you're doing well, logistics rarely become an issue.

If you're doing well, you'll never have to ask for her number.

[Schoolboy_D]

I just dealt with a flakey girl called her Monday to see wassup she said she will call me back after 2 minutes of convo..didn't receive a call so I texted her today before class said meet me at a local bar..she text back 2hrs later saying she has a huge test..didn't even reply just deleted her number and went to the gym and squatted and did pullups

[iknowexactly]

(02-11-2012 01:11 PM)Laner Wrote:  

Damn, I am glad I am not the only one experiencing this.

Maybe its a newish Scandinavian thing. I have a drawer full of numbers already, so if I crunch the numbers quickly, I would guess a 60-70% flake rate for me as well.

I have no idea why girls would be giving out their numbers with no intentions of returning calls.

I feel for ya Jefe. This shit is maddening.

To me it's very obvious and simple, if unpleasant to think about.

1) Guy approaches

2) He is inadequately YoungTallHandsomeCool to obviously impress her friends with based on the fact she knows nothing about him. (If she had seen you play at a party -- that means play music, DJ generation, I guess that currently includes a DJ posing as a musician--or rock it in athletics it might have been totally different.)

3) She wants to be polite when he asks for number. Directly saying no may cause open hostility from this unknown agent.

4) She skillfully puts on a totally fake smile and simulated enthusiasm in her voice and gives you number, already feeling how much she wants to get out of the situation. They surpass men in social faking, because passive consumers must above all avoid the high cost of enemies. This successful deception is the hingepoint of female strategy, because she doesn't know if you will turn out to be a real Alpha (whatever that is for her, might be a moron gang-banger headed for life at 23) and women have allegiance only to status, not to individuals.

It's sort of like acting like a banker who acts polite to everyone, because he doesn't know who has money, but he is always thinking he can't give away loan money unless many tests are passed

5) She is female and generally incapable of taking a risk to gain future reward without major prior social approval ( she is by nature a passive consumer) so even if you were close to her YoungTallHandsomeCool standards, she doesn't do anything to follow up such as answering your call.

6) She waits for a more proven Alpha to express interest, and is willing to fuck him even if she has about a 1% chance of bagging his resources and children, because going along with being unwilling to work for the future goes being too dumb to visualize the future, so she tries to cope by working only with known quantities: The reason there are virtually no major inventions in all of history from women.

There. Not hard to understand, just depressing if you want to view women as any kind of equal companion.

"going along with being unwilling to work for the future goes being too dumb to visualize the future"

Had to repeat that. Felt as good as smacking an uppity arrogant bitch in the face. ;-)

Since I want to learn to deal with the world as it is, so as not to be frustrated, I need to adjust my expectations:

Women are charming but dumb, passive baby factories; that go after immediate and obvious current moment status as stupidly as a cat chases a shiny moving toy. You have to deal with them as you deal with a child of unknown meanness and unruliness, and certainly not take any of her attempts at thinking seriously.