[True Balla]

(09-23-2018 12:12 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 04:49 PM)sethg Wrote:  

Putting in more effort than the girl besides the opener and initial attraction phase is a novice move.

I agree. I just let social media do most of it after the bang, and use a maintaining strategy.

Summed up. Im not going out of my way to convince a strange bitch of my greatness. It should be fucking palpable as soon as I approach.

Do you get laid consistently with this method? I'm not trying for once a month here.

(09-23-2018 08:25 PM)monsquid Wrote:  

At 33 I have very little patience anymore. Most women are not worth your time. Luckily our game gets more efficient as we age.

Im curious as to how you've made it more efficient over the years. I'd like to make it more efficient, while still producing the same results.

(09-23-2018 08:42 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

I’ve been contemplating this myself lately. I’m an input/output guy. If I like her and she puts in effort, I’ll match it. However, oftentimes, the ones I don’t really like are the ones trying, whereas the ones I do like aren’t. Regardless, I just cannot bring myself to “sweat” a woman. Either she recognizes my worth or she doesn’t. I know many women still subscribe to the fallacy that a man should pursue and put in extraordinary effort, but guys like me aren’t growing on trees and I refuse to be that simp that pursues relentlessly. Especially when I know, from experience, the juice is rarely ever worth the squeeze.

No I won’t put in unreciprocated effort.
No I won’t drive, let alone fly, anywhere for pussy.
No I won’t chase bishes
No I won’t try to out perform the next simp or the one who came before.


I’m happy just being me. Being in my own company or with friends and family is oftentimes infinitely better than entertaining some boring ass broad with a cute face and a phat ass.

I think you make a great point, in the ones that do put in the effort are the ones you dont like (5/6's) and the ones you do like (7/8's) are the ones that don't. I think I meant to gear this discussion more towards the higher quality girls that do require more effort. I think most of us would easily agree in taking the girls that require no effort and banging them, no one is arguing that. However, its not like the 8's are lining up and putting an equal amount of effort as the men are. However, my focus is more in this area.

(09-23-2018 09:26 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I size women up before I put in any actual effort. There’s two criteria really:

1. Is she girlfriend material?

2. How much time/money will it cost me to get her naked.

If question 1 is no and 2 is more than the cost of one date ....I won’t even bother trying.

I think more effort could easily mean less cost. A walk around the park is kind of the same as getting lunch, except one is free.

(09-23-2018 09:53 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 11:28 PM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

I have almost always dated up in physical attractiveness. I think most men at least try to do this. And I have, admittedly, ridiculously high standards. This has become an issue recently as I have found that the best quality for relationships comes from girls hovering around 6s (you may have heard my question on the most recent Roosh Hour). I recently began to engage in online game. Prior to that, it was all in real life. I preferenced day game and social circle, as I think it gives me a better quality of girl. ... Pretty much anything that resulted in a relationship (of whatever length) came from social circle.

As I've also found, it becomes increasingly clear that as you go along, you'll want to find quality once you go through the phase BS of "getting bangs" (however long that phase is). The physical upside/max of this as you state, is the 7, and most are 6-7 --- Ok to fine looking, but just good personality, normal, not focused on material and not constantly desiring attention from you more than she gives you. I think if you can trade a little lower "hotness" [your "high standards"] for youth, you've just hacked the system.

This reality makes me understand why arranged marriages of old worked so well. It was generally understood what the relative SMV was of any family's progeny, so matching was reasonable considering male and female desires. Grass would always be greener for females, but as is usual, that was understood --- marrying for "love" would end up in far too high of a percentage of old maids, modern day cat women.

I definitely agree in taking the younger 7 than the older 8. We've got the same mindset. It just took me a while to get to that conclusion. Although its something that wasn't a concern for me until now since I'm getting into my upper twenties and do want to get married and have kids at some point.

(09-25-2018 08:57 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

You put up the max effort initially upfront to maximze your bang funnel. After that it very quickly decreases unless she's matching you in effort/passion/chemistry.

I wouldn't say 9s take longer than 7s but they usually require more effort. However, the rewards can be enormous.

I do think it's funny, particularly on this forum, that some guys aren't willing to invest an hour of time and conversational gambits and stories plus cost of 2 drinks to try to get a hot girl into bed. To each their own.

I'll drive 30 mins for an 8+, as long as she can carry a good conversation or is a great cook. I wouldn't fly anywhere for anybody. I'll uber them over if need be.

I agree man! I feel like theres a lot of resistance in this thread on this whole effort thing, and you make an excellent point. I'm in the same boat as you.

(09-25-2018 09:05 PM)corsega Wrote:  

6.5 and below - invite directly over to my place, texting for logistics and sexual escalation only

7 - will go out for a drink at an external location, probably would also just invite over if I'm busy, would invest 20 minutes in a phone call if she's under 20 years old

7.5 and above - would meet out for drinks and pay for them, would pay for Uber if she wanted to come right over

Solid answer! We're on similar pages. I'd meet a 6.5 out tho, somehwere minutes from me however.

(09-26-2018 02:06 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

Low effort for me.

I just go on tinder and get matches and make chit chat with women.

If I talk to someone who I find interesting I will ask them out for a beer

Usually it goes well and we fuck with a few dates.

Low effort and I enjoy the process.

I'm now in the relationship and met my gf by doing this.

I think your 'low effort' is quite a decent amount of effort in my book, with it being a few dates.

(09-26-2018 04:19 AM)OCZ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 09:26 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I size women up before I put in any actual effort. There’s two criteria really:

1. Is she girlfriend material?

2. How much time/money will it cost me to get her naked.

If question 1 is no and 2 is more than the cost of one date ....I won’t even bother trying.

I use the same formula, but also how good I think she is. This will vary in girls who are 7.5 or above, probably I will put more effort the hotter she is. One thing I will say is important to mention is the fact that if you put too much effort, they will know and will give them the impression they have power over you. It is a little tricky, but the key is to manage well the time you spend on it. I will say the harder to pinpoint how much effort you will put in a girl is if she is way over average.

I agree, I think its the higher tier of women where the effort starts to become exponentially more.