Quote: (08-29-2015 06:09 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Quote: (08-29-2015 03:14 PM)Merenguero Wrote:
Quote: (08-29-2015 02:58 PM)trian1 Wrote:
I think several of you really hit the nail on the head -- women are not incentivized to stay married, particularly once their emotions change. A six-year relationship dissolves outside of marriage, she has no legal right to anything. However, within a marriage, she has ample economic incentives to leave.
Maybe in the extremely rare case that she is married to a guy with no debts, has a lot of money saved, all of which is marital, and who can afford to pay alimony after covering all of his own expenses. How many guys in the United States satisfy all of those requirements? 1%? Maybe not even that. In the vast majority of cases, all a women will see after a divorce is child support, if she even sees that.
The courts don't give two shits about the general state of the economy and the fact that it's not 1970 anymore when an uneducated manual worker could make enough dough to pay for a house, a car and support a non-working wife with 2,5 children.
Nowadays the performance demand is the same and the media, entertainment and academia blasts it out every fucking day. Recently saw it with NFL players and some young students the pro was seeing.
One girl: "My father is an asshole."
Pro NFL player: "Uh - careful - sometimes it turns out he is not such a bad guy after all."
Girl: "He is behind child support."
Player: "Well, then he is an asshole." Laughter.
Indeed - because child support for an NFL player is not problematic, but for the average Joe it's something else completely. Our system has turned from the one of the nuclear family into one of child support. Whether a man has the cash to support his ex-family or not is irrelevant in total since the government and the men of society will support the family through taxes anyway. Apart from that 100.000+ men are in prison in the US right now for not having paid child support - zero women by the way despite many of them not paying their share either. Oh - and the fees and penalties keep rising even if the fathers are behind bars. Essentially the currently one million fathers behind bars in the US will likely never catch up to their official child support obligations.
https://bitchmedia.org/post/this-fathers...-in-prison
Thus in return can the mothers withhold their visitation rights indefinitely and they are all "assholes".
With regard to child support, the expenses of the payor don't matter, nor does the economy. I agree with that part. Child support has to do with the payor's gross income and in some states, both parties' gross income and/or daycare expenses. Nevada only uses the payor's gross income, doesn't really factor anything else, and puts a cap on the maximum amount per child. Under this system, a guy who earns a really high income can get away with paying a very minimal amount, especially if there is only one child. Guys with moderate or low incomes may get hit comparatively hard. In any event, alimony and equitable distribution of property are an entirely different story and take many other factors into account. I wonder how many guys who claim that they were divorce rape victims entered into stupid agreements which were not in their best interest and which were not representative of what could have been expected to have happened at trial.