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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Wutang - 12-01-2018

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/41925...mid-sexual

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Celebrity astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson is being investigated by Fox and National Geographic Networks over sexual misconduct allegations lodged against him.

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Musician Tchiya Amet claimed in 2014 that deGrasse Tyson drugged and raped her while they were both in school in the 1980s.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Repo - 12-01-2018

I would believe it more if it were boys claiming it

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - John Michael Kane - 12-01-2018

In the eighties? And just now she comes forward? Things that make you go Hmmm...

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Captainstabbin - 12-01-2018

The teeth on this broad...




EDIT:

Bleach...

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Syberpunk - 12-01-2018

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - moneyshot - 12-01-2018

Yeah not buying this in the slightest. Next case, please.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Sidney Crosby - 12-01-2018

The guy is fucking annoying but this is BS.

How is CNN playing it? He's on there quite a bit.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Bluto - 12-01-2018

Is it time to resurrect these?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Longshanks - 12-01-2018

I knew he was probably a sexual deviant when he started shilling climate change myths.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - aeroektar - 12-01-2018

He drops some red pills in his last Rogan podcast a few weeks ago, maybe he pissed off his Illuminati handlers.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - torridon747 - 12-01-2018

Being investigated by fox and nat geo huh? Glad private companies have the authority to launch full scale investigations into private citizens lives and then deal out punishment without a judge, jury, or representation for the accused.

I don't like Neil, I think he's a hack. But clearly we have a problem with the system here.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Gimlet - 12-01-2018

I find it hard to beleive that this guy drugged and raped that mediocre woman. Here he is back in the day.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - BortimusPrime - 12-01-2018

You'd think with all his background in astronomy he'd have known how dangerous black holes are.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Easy_C - 12-01-2018

The “I fucking love science” NPCs must be having a major short circuit right about now.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Horus - 12-01-2018

Quote: (12-01-2018 09:48 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

You'd think with all his background in astronomy he'd have known how dangerous black holes are.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - kaotic - 12-01-2018

Neil responded - a bit of red pills and of course apologies:

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On Being Accused

Neil deGrasse Tyson·Saturday, December 1, 2018

For a variety of reasons, most justified, some unjustified, men accused of sexual impropriety in today’s “me-too” climate are presumed to be guilty by the court of public opinion. Emotions bypass due-process, people choose sides, and the social media wars begin.

In any claim, evidence matters. Evidence always matters. But what happens when it’s just one person’s word against another’s, and the stories don’t agree? That’s when people tend to pass judgment on who is more credible than whom. And that’s when an impartial investigation can best serve the truth – and would have my full cooperation to do so.

I’ve recently been publically accused of sexual misconduct. These accusations have received a fair amount of press in the past forty-eight hours, unaccompanied by my reactions. In many cases, it’s not the media’s fault. I declined comment on the grounds that serious accusations should not be adjudicated in the press. But clearly I cannot continue to stay silent. So below I offer my account of each accusation.

The 2009 Incident

I am asked by thousands of people per year to take pictures with them. A flattering, time consuming, but delightful chore. As many in my fan-base can attest, I get almost giddy if I notice you’re wearing cosmic bling – clothing or jewelry or tattoos that portray the universe, either scientifically or artistically. And I make it a priority to point out these adornments for the photograph.

A colleague at a well attended, after-conference, social gathering came up to me to ask for a photograph. She was wearing a sleeveless dress with a tattooed solar system extending up her arm. And while I don’t explicitly remember searching for Pluto at the top of her shoulder, it is surely something I would have done in that situation. As we all know, I have professional history with the demotion of Pluto, which had occurred officially just three years earlier. So whether people include it or not in their tattoos is of great interest to me. I was reported to have “groped” her by searching “up her dress”, when this was simply a search under the covered part of her shoulder of the sleeveless dress.

I only just learned (nine years after) that she thought this behavior creepy. That was never my intent and I’m deeply sorry to have made her feel that way. Had I been told of her discomfort in the moment, I would have offered this same apology eagerly, and on the spot. In my mind’s eye, I’m a friendly and accessible guy, but going forward, I can surely be more sensitive to people’s personal space, even in the midst of my planetary enthusiasm.

Summer 2018 Incident

While filming this past summer, I had a (female) Production Assistant assigned to me, to ensure, among her countless tasks, that every ounce of my energy was efficiently allocated to the production needs of the show. As part of this, she was also my driver, to and from the studio, ensuring that I arrive on time. In the car we would review details of the shoot and she would help me anticipate parts of the shoot to come.

Across the many weeks of shooting she and I spent upwards of a hundred hours in one-on-one conversation. We became so friendly that we talked about all manner of subjects, even social-personal ones, like the care of aging parents, sibling relationships, life in high school and college, hometown hobbies, race, gender, and so forth.

We also discussed less-personal topics in abundance, like rock lyrics, favorite songs in various musical genres, concert experiences, etc. And we also talked about food – I’m kind of a foodie, and her fiancé was a chef. In short, we had a fun, talkative friendship.

She is a talented, warm and friendly person -- excellent traits for morale on a high pressure production. Practically everyone she knows on set gets a daily welcome-hug from her. I expressly rejected each hug offered frequently during the Production. But in its place I offered a handshake, and on a few occasions, clumsily declared, “If I hug you I might just want more.” My intent was to express restrained but genuine affection.

In the final week of shooting, with just a few days left, as a capstone of our friendship, I invited her to wine & cheese at my place upon dropping me off from work. No pressure. I serve wine & cheese often to visitors. And I even alerted her that others from the production were gathering elsewhere that evening, so she could just drop me off and head straight there or anywhere elsewhere. She freely chose to come by for wine & cheese and I was delighted. In the car, we had started a long conversation that could continue unabated. Production days are long. We arrived late, but she was on her way home two hours later.

Afterwards, she came into my office to told me she was creeped out by the wine & cheese evening. She viewed the invite as an attempt to seduce her, even though she sat across the wine & cheese table from me, and all conversation had been in the same vein as all other conversations we ever had.

Further, I never touched her until I shook her hand upon departure. On that occasion, I had offered a special handshake, one I learned from a Native elder on reservation land at the edge of the Grand Canyon. You extend your thumb forward during the handshake to feel the other person’s vital spirit energy -- the pulse. I’ve never forgotten that handshake, and I save it in appreciation of people with whom I’ve developed new friendships.

At that last meeting in my office, I apologized profusely. She accepted the apology. And I assured her that had I known she was uncomfortable, I would have apologized on the spot, ended the evening, and possibly reminded her of the other social gathering that she could attend. She nonetheless declared it her last day, with only a few days left of production.

I note that her final gesture to me was the offer of a hug, which I accepted as a parting friend.

Early 1980s

I entered astrophysics graduate school directly out of college in 1980. It’s a grueling adventure-marathon, and many people do not finish the PhD. In fact, it was not uncommon for half the admitted students to leave after two or three years, finding some other kind of work in their lives. While in graduate school I had several girlfriends, one of whom would become my wife of thirty years, a mathematical physicist -- we met in Relativity class.

Over this time I had a brief relationship with a fellow astro-graduate student, from a more recent entering class. I remember being intimate only a few times, all at her apartment, but the chemistry wasn’t there. So the relationship faded quickly. There was nothing otherwise odd or unusual about this friendship.

I didn't see much of her after that time. Our student offices were on different floors of the building and we were not in the same classes. A few years later, I ran into her, pregnant, with who I think was the father by her side. That’s when I had learned that she dropped out of graduate school. Again, this is not itself an unusual fact, but I nonetheless wished her well in motherhood and in whatever career path would follow.

More than thirty years later, as my visibility-level took another jump, I read a freshly posted blog accusing me of drugging and raping a woman I did not recognize by either photo or name. Turned out to be the same person who I dated briefly in graduate school. She had changed her name and lived an entire life, married with children, before this accusation.

For me, what was most significant, was that in this new life, long after dropping out of astrophysics graduate school, she was posting videos of colored tuning forks endowed with vibrational therapeutic energy that she channels from the orbiting planets.

As a scientist, I found this odd. Meanwhile, according to her blog posts, the drug and rape allegation comes from an assumption of what happened to her during a night that she cannot remember. It is as though a false memory had been implanted, which, because it never actually happened, had to be remembered as an evening she doesn’t remember. Nor does she remember waking up the next morning and going to the office. I kept a record of everything she posted, in case her stories morphed over time. So this is sad, which, for me, defies explanation.

I note that this allegation was used as a kind of solicitation-bait by at least one journalist to bring out of the woodwork anybody who had any encounter with me that left them uncomfortable.

Overview

I’m the accused, so why believe anything I say? Why believe me at all?
That brings us back to the value of an independent investigation, which FOX/NatGeo (the networks on which Cosmos and StarTalk air) announced that they will conduct. I welcome this.

Accusations can damage a reputation and a marriage. Sometimes irreversibly. I see myself as loving husband and as a public servant – a scientist and educator who serves at the will of the public. I am grateful for the support I’ve received from those who continue to respect and value me and my work.

Respectfully submitted, Neil deGrasse Tyson, New York City

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Horus - 12-01-2018



Two students enter a PhD course in astrophysics. One of them drops out and becomes, according to her twitter, a "cosmic sound healer," and a complete loser. The other goes on to become one of the most famous astrophysicists in the world, and his face regularly shows up on her Facebook page as a reminder of their comparative achievements.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Horus - 12-01-2018

Quote: (12-01-2018 11:04 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

A colleague at a well attended, after-conference, social gathering came up to me to ask for a photograph. She was wearing a sleeveless dress with a tattooed solar system extending up her arm. And while I don’t explicitly remember searching for Pluto at the top of her shoulder, it is surely something I would have done in that situation. As we all know, I have professional history with the demotion of Pluto, which had occurred officially just three years earlier. So whether people include it or not in their tattoos is of great interest to me. I was reported to have “groped” her by searching “up her dress”, when this was simply a search under the covered part of her shoulder of the sleeveless dress.

I only just learned (nine years after) that she thought this behavior creepy. That was never my intent and I’m deeply sorry to have made her feel that way. Had I been told of her discomfort in the moment, I would have offered this same apology eagerly, and on the spot. In my mind’s eye, I’m a friendly and accessible guy, but going forward, I can surely be more sensitive to people’s personal space, even in the midst of my planetary enthusiasm.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Horus - 12-01-2018

Quote: (12-01-2018 11:04 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Summer 2018 Incident

While filming this past summer, I had a (female) Production Assistant assigned to me, to ensure, among her countless tasks, that every ounce of my energy was efficiently allocated to the production needs of the show. As part of this, she was also my driver, to and from the studio, ensuring that I arrive on time. In the car we would review details of the shoot and she would help me anticipate parts of the shoot to come.

Across the many weeks of shooting she and I spent upwards of a hundred hours in one-on-one conversation. We became so friendly that we talked about all manner of subjects, even social-personal ones, like the care of aging parents, sibling relationships, life in high school and college, hometown hobbies, race, gender, and so forth.

We also discussed less-personal topics in abundance, like rock lyrics, favorite songs in various musical genres, concert experiences, etc. And we also talked about food – I’m kind of a foodie, and her fiancé was a chef. In short, we had a fun, talkative friendship.

She is a talented, warm and friendly person -- excellent traits for morale on a high pressure production. Practically everyone she knows on set gets a daily welcome-hug from her. I expressly rejected each hug offered frequently during the Production. But in its place I offered a handshake, and on a few occasions, clumsily declared, “If I hug you I might just want more.” My intent was to express restrained but genuine affection.

In the final week of shooting, with just a few days left, as a capstone of our friendship, I invited her to wine & cheese at my place upon dropping me off from work. No pressure. I serve wine & cheese often to visitors. And I even alerted her that others from the production were gathering elsewhere that evening, so she could just drop me off and head straight there or anywhere elsewhere. She freely chose to come by for wine & cheese and I was delighted. In the car, we had started a long conversation that could continue unabated. Production days are long. We arrived late, but she was on her way home two hours later.

Afterwards, she came into my office to told me she was creeped out by the wine & cheese evening. She viewed the invite as an attempt to seduce her, even though she sat across the wine & cheese table from me, and all conversation had been in the same vein as all other conversations we ever had.

Further, I never touched her until I shook her hand upon departure. On that occasion, I had offered a special handshake, one I learned from a Native elder on reservation land at the edge of the Grand Canyon. You extend your thumb forward during the handshake to feel the other person’s vital spirit energy -- the pulse. I’ve never forgotten that handshake, and I save it in appreciation of people with whom I’ve developed new friendships.

At that last meeting in my office, I apologized profusely. She accepted the apology. And I assured her that had I known she was uncomfortable, I would have apologized on the spot, ended the evening, and possibly reminded her of the other social gathering that she could attend. She nonetheless declared it her last day, with only a few days left of production.

I note that her final gesture to me was the offer of a hug, which I accepted as a parting friend.

That's more like it my man.


If I told you that you had a heavenly body, would you hold it against me?..... is what he should have said. Would most certainly bang.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Horus - 12-01-2018

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On that occasion, I had offered a special handshake, one I learned from a Native elder on reservation land at the edge of the Grand Canyon. You extend your thumb forward during the handshake to feel the other person’s vital spirit energy -- the pulse. I’ve never forgotten that handshake, and I save it in appreciation of people with whom I’ve developed new friendships.

You sly motherfucker. I wonder how many women are reading this and gasping as they realise that's exactly the move he used before he expanded time and space in their vaginas. It's just too specific to not be something he's used to get pussy in the past. He is probably too old now to successfully pull it off, especially with that tight piece of ass above, but in his heyday, that move along with his fame netted him oceans of pussy.

And there's no way that he was just inviting her for wine and cheese only to be friendly. He's not fooling anyone when he tries to convince us that he wasn't planning to conduct a double slit experiment.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Days of Broken Arrows - 12-02-2018

This has already been discussed on the main #metoo thread. This "story" was started by the conservative Christian Patheos blog. It looks to me like a hit piece they assigned to ruin Tyson's reputation because they disagree with his viewpoints.

I disagree with them too. But I don't throw men under the bus using #metoo as a weapon. This shows Christians are just as bad as feminists when it comes to ruining men's lives for bullshit reasons.

What is the Patheos blog? It's a blog whose main celebrity voice is Bristol Palin, a two-time single mother (with different men) who has been involved in long, expensive custody battles with both men.

By contrast, here are "accusations" against Tyson that first appeared on Patheos:

"...Katelyn Allers, a Bucknell University physics and astronomy professor, accused deGrasse Tyson of groping her at an American Astronomical Society meeting in 2009. Allers said that the alleged groping didn’t rise to the level of assault, but that it did show Tyson was capable of some “creepy behavior.”

Ashley Watson, who also came forward in the Patheos story, said the deGrasse Tyson tried to persuade her into having sex and made "misogynistic comments" occasionally."

To summarize: If you're a woman and you fuck two different bad boys and have their illegitimate spawn, you're A-OK with the Christians at Patheos! But if you're a man and you merely flirt with a woman, that's a sin.

If this is the world you want to live in, go right ahead and side with the Crazy Christians at Patheos. .

(Note: I'm leaving the rape accusation out of my argument here because 1). Patheos didn't break that story and 2). It dates back to before a lot of you were born, making it questionable, to say the least.)

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Emancipator - 12-02-2018

Quote: (12-02-2018 03:10 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

What is the Patheos blog? It's a blog whose main celebrity voice is Bristol Palin, a two-time single mother (with different men) who has been involved in long, expensive custody battles with both men.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Batka - 12-02-2018

Quote: (12-01-2018 11:53 PM)Horus Wrote:  

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On that occasion, I had offered a special handshake, one I learned from a Native elder on reservation land at the edge of the Grand Canyon. You extend your thumb forward during the handshake to feel the other person’s vital spirit energy -- the pulse. I’ve never forgotten that handshake, and I save it in appreciation of people with whom I’ve developed new friendships.

You sly motherfucker. I wonder how many women are reading this and gasping as they realise that's exactly the move he used before he expanded time and space in their vaginas. It's just too specific to not be something he's used to get pussy in the past. He is probably too old now to successfully pull it off, especially with that tight piece of ass above, but in his heyday, that move along with his fame netted him oceans of pussy.

And there's no way that he was just inviting her for wine and cheese only to be friendly. He's not fooling anyone when he tries to convince us that he wasn't planning to conduct a double slit experiment.

You can bet the farm that he smashed a smorgasboard of putang in his prime.

He's still a legend.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Days of Broken Arrows - 12-02-2018

Quote: (12-01-2018 11:35 PM)Horus Wrote:  

Quote: (12-01-2018 11:04 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Summer 2018 Incident

While filming this past summer, I had a (female) Production Assistant assigned to me, to ensure, among her countless tasks, that every ounce of my energy was efficiently allocated to the production needs of the show. As part of this, she was also my driver, to and from the studio, ensuring that I arrive on time. In the car we would review details of the shoot and she would help me anticipate parts of the shoot to come.

Across the many weeks of shooting she and I spent upwards of a hundred hours in one-on-one conversation. We became so friendly that we talked about all manner of subjects, even social-personal ones, like the care of aging parents, sibling relationships, life in high school and college, hometown hobbies, race, gender, and so forth.

We also discussed less-personal topics in abundance, like rock lyrics, favorite songs in various musical genres, concert experiences, etc. And we also talked about food – I’m kind of a foodie, and her fiancé was a chef. In short, we had a fun, talkative friendship.

She is a talented, warm and friendly person -- excellent traits for morale on a high pressure production. Practically everyone she knows on set gets a daily welcome-hug from her. I expressly rejected each hug offered frequently during the Production. But in its place I offered a handshake, and on a few occasions, clumsily declared, “If I hug you I might just want more.” My intent was to express restrained but genuine affection.

In the final week of shooting, with just a few days left, as a capstone of our friendship, I invited her to wine & cheese at my place upon dropping me off from work. No pressure. I serve wine & cheese often to visitors. And I even alerted her that others from the production were gathering elsewhere that evening, so she could just drop me off and head straight there or anywhere elsewhere. She freely chose to come by for wine & cheese and I was delighted. In the car, we had started a long conversation that could continue unabated. Production days are long. We arrived late, but she was on her way home two hours later.

Afterwards, she came into my office to told me she was creeped out by the wine & cheese evening. She viewed the invite as an attempt to seduce her, even though she sat across the wine & cheese table from me, and all conversation had been in the same vein as all other conversations we ever had.

Further, I never touched her until I shook her hand upon departure. On that occasion, I had offered a special handshake, one I learned from a Native elder on reservation land at the edge of the Grand Canyon. You extend your thumb forward during the handshake to feel the other person’s vital spirit energy -- the pulse. I’ve never forgotten that handshake, and I save it in appreciation of people with whom I’ve developed new friendships.

At that last meeting in my office, I apologized profusely. She accepted the apology. And I assured her that had I known she was uncomfortable, I would have apologized on the spot, ended the evening, and possibly reminded her of the other social gathering that she could attend. She nonetheless declared it her last day, with only a few days left of production.

I note that her final gesture to me was the offer of a hug, which I accepted as a parting friend.

That's more like it my man.


If I told you that you had a heavenly body, would you hold it against me?..... is what he should have said. Would most certainly bang.

^^^
This is like the Aziz Ansari story but without the sex. You can now be accused of sexual harassment without the sex and without the harassment.

Wasn't there some poll recently that claimed 1/3 of Millennials thought complimenting someone or asking them for a drink was a form of harassment? There's you answer as to why 1). This woman is making an accusation and 2). It's a story.

In the 1990s, if a woman accused a man of improper behavior because he invited her over for wine and cheese and without any sexual references, that woman would be directed to a psychiatrist for paranoid behavior. Now she's given a pulpit and is considered sane. It's our society that's become the problem.

Tl;dr: Wine and cheese and bland conversation = sexual harassment in 2018.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson gets #MeTooed - Horus - 12-02-2018

Quote: (12-01-2018 04:09 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  

If he hasn't used that line to a woman at least once in his life, I will be severely disappointed.

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