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Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - 30somethingdude - 05-25-2015
Quote: (05-24-2015 04:59 PM)Moma Wrote:
Here is the latest podcast with JOF superman. Enjoy!!
Big fan of Superman, wish he would bring his website back. Sounds like he is still running his 'fake sugar daddy' game, which is good if it still works. I like Superman's honesty about his experiences and his upfront approach on race and game.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - btown1 - 05-25-2015
Are these podcast available to download? Absolutely love them but I'm currently traveling and don't always have access to reliable WiFi. Being able to download them and listen when I'm not connected would be great.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Lizard King - 05-25-2015
Quote: (05-25-2015 04:39 AM)btown1 Wrote:
Are these podcast available to download? Absolutely love them but I'm currently traveling and don't always have access to reliable WiFi. Being able to download them and listen when I'm not connected would be great.
Download Torch browser
It will extract the mp3, mp4, etc from any video. even porn(apparently).
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Fortis - 05-25-2015
Good podcast. I'm not familiar with JOF, but he seems like a good guy. he's similar to me in height and race.
Moma, much like you I have trouble with girls who are cold. I have a friend (another black man) who says that we should just push through. He says that some girls are just super shy in that retarded way so he sexualizes thing early so that he can see if they're shy and interested or just being a timewaster. Maybe something we should both try?
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Moma - 05-26-2015
Fortis, pushing through is definitely worth a shot. I'll try it on my next encounter.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Apollo21 - 05-26-2015
I think it's important to have sufficient "Game in Depth" where you are drawing
from a variety of sources to balance out the inherent limitations and known
challenges when dealing with women.(i.e time, personality, quality and availability)
It's not so much about volume as it is about diversity. It's better to have a variety
of different sources where you meet women daily...a little online game, a little social circle game,
coffee shop game etc...like pistons in an engine that work together to give you more horsepower
and help you meet different women from different places.
Example: Online game is time efficient, but the quality is not the same as real life.
Social Circle game is more powerful but takes more time, Coffee Shop game is
awesome but also completely opportunistic...combining all three actively
can make for a more powerful "game" engine and give you better encounters.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Fortis - 05-26-2015
Depends on your limitations.
JOF found that meeting women in real life was not getting him the quality he desired, so he is hacking the system and pulling golddiggers and banging them without giving them a bag of gold, and he's doing it online.
Some guys HATE online game, and that's fine. Some guys can pull 20+ girls a year off of online. Why would they learn night game or day game if they're getting what they want from their source. Diversity is good, but only if you need it. If you're able to pull equally from all three that is legit and you have my respect, but I don't have any more respect for you than I do for a guy who gets what he wants strictly from online game.
There are some cats on this site who get everything they want from daygame. As I said, hats off to those guys, but they're no better for using one game. If it works it works. That is my saying when it comes to the game.
Me? I liked online game, but tinder sucks now, so I'm learning night game. I'm moving to a new city where maybe online is better and i'll just switch back. I have no desire to go out anymore than I need to to get laid. Going out and spam approaching 1,000 women doesn't strict me as any more effective than sitting down and pounding out 100 messages in an hour and spamming OKC or tinder. It's all in what works.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Zooxanthellae - 05-26-2015
Quote: (05-19-2015 11:11 PM)azulsombra Wrote:
It's interesting to hear your perspective.
Logistics is a huge part of LA game.
If you were living in the valley or some other less than desirable area Im sure it makes things even tougher. But it sounds like you were based on the westside.
We pretty much all agree LA's dating scene isnt as good as NY and Europe.
What types of girls were you targeting? Was it mainly black, white, latin or asian? I only ask this because you said D.C. was better, so Im trying to make sense of that part.
Yeah, the Valley is awful for logistics and most other things (haha).
I should said that I'm not asserting that DC is a better city for game overall than LA - obviously there are much hotter girls in LA, they're not nearly as "educated" as DC girls which can hurt percentages and it's easy to sell them a dream out here - but as a brother specifically I would assert it's much easier to put up numbers in the bedroom in DC. In DC, the comp isn't as tough in LA, there's a stronger black culture, and the logistics are much better.
I'd probably say of the sets I open, roughly half are white, a quarter are sisters, and a quarter are other races. I don't have a particularly strong attraction for Asian women (I know some brothers who's yellow fever game is strrrrong haha), not saying I don't like them at all 'cause living in Cali there are definitely some gorgeous Asian girls, but mainly I stick to the classic black, white, or Latina sets.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Zooxanthellae - 05-26-2015
Quote: (05-19-2015 11:38 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:
Maybe logistics might make DC better. I can't see how, the train is great for work, but it's not useful for night game purposes.
And if you prefer professional black women, DC is way better than LA. And Houston and Atlanta are better than DC.
In terms of hotness though? I can't call it.
WIA
Can't agree, the Metro in DC is fantastic for pulling, not better than NYC of course, but much better than most cities where the train system doesn't run very late (Los Angeles, Boston for example) or just trashy (Los Angeles, Philly, The Bay Area, etc.)
DC Metro is especially good for pulling on Fridays and Saturdays when the last train is after last call - drunk night Metro game is classic shit! I've probably racked up 10-15 closes from girls who I either met on a Metro or had to take them home through Metro.
Obviously living walking distance is preferable (practically non-existent in LA) but as far as subway pulls NYC > Europe > DC > everywhere else I think.
I've heard Chicago's system (at least in The Loop) is also a good nightgame pull although I've only been there 2-3 times and it wasn't in a gaming context. I don't know if the CTA stays open late either.
As far as the hotness factor naturally LA is infinitely better than DC but as I said the comp and logistics make it almost even itself out.
In other words, I'd rather take good logistics and simply go to a higher end DC place with a few 8's and 9's than LA where poor logistics, tough competition, and a much more segregated city make it pretty difficult to walk off with that ideal California beach blonde.
LA is fantastic for daygame though. That's the way to get the 9's out here in my experience, unless you are in the Hollywood "scene"
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - speakeasy - 05-26-2015
Quote: (05-26-2015 07:57 PM)Zooxanthellae Wrote:
LA is fantastic for daygame though. That's the way to get the 9's out here in my experience, unless you are in the Hollywood "scene"
Are you fucking 9s from L.A. daygame? Even legit players I know out there aren't doing that. In my opinion 9s in LA are going to be through social circle, being part of the entertainment industry, e.g. acting, talent, music, porn, modeling, etc., or being the top baller at the club who's opening bottles. Fame goes a long way out there.
I really don't believe anyone is pulling 9s off the street in LA. Never in my life have I witnessed it successfully done. Maybe you are a rare exception.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Zooxanthellae - 05-26-2015
...everything you just described is what I meant by "unless you are in the Hollywood scene..."
As for 9's in LA I never claimed to be consistently fucking them out here (quite the contrary I've been fairly discouraging of the opportunities for a young brother out here who isn't doing all of the above "stunting" you mentioned), but I definitely have gotten dates with 8's and above from daygame out here, no doubt. The most "sensational" of this was a former British playboy model I met on the 3rd street promenade from regular daygame. Only thing that takes her from being out of contention for being a 9 would be she was in her 30's at the time and I'm in my mind 20's, but I did close on a day 3. This was after several months of intense day gaming and tightening up my approach as much as possible though.
In short, getting real stunners in LA is difficult no matter how you cut it (especially as a black man) due to all the earlier mentioned issues of logistics, competition, and general ditzy flakey model syndrome but yes out here if you do a lot of daygame you vastly improve your chances of pulling a 8 or 9 than if you just do regular ass night game. Less chance of having to flash your cash around, less competition since she is alone, and less hypergamy scanning since it's the middle of the day.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Zooxanthellae - 05-26-2015
I should also mention that "8" and "9" especially in LA are extremely relative/subjective terms.
There are a ton of European tourists in Santa Monica and Venice who haven't been brainwashed by LA Hollywood bottle rat culture so in a good day game session in SM if you like European chicks... You can find one that might classically be considered an 8 or a 9. Or a Latina who hasn't been brainwashed and has a high level of natural beauty.
An All-American Hollywood brainwashed white girl 8 or 9 - yes that would be damn near impossible for a brother to pull in daygame or night game without heavy social proofing.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - rudebwoy - 05-26-2015
Quote: (05-26-2015 06:47 PM)Fortis Wrote:
Depends on your limitations.
JOF found that meeting women in real life was not getting him the quality he desired, so he is hacking the system and pulling golddiggers and banging them without giving them a bag of gold, and he's doing it online.
Some guys HATE online game, and that's fine. Some guys can pull 20+ girls a year off of online. Why would they learn night game or day game if they're getting what they want from their source. Diversity is good, but only if you need it. If you're able to pull equally from all three that is legit and you have my respect, but I don't have any more respect for you than I do for a guy who gets what he wants strictly from online game.
There are some cats on this site who get everything they want from daygame. As I said, hats off to those guys, but they're no better for using one game. If it works it works. That is my saying when it comes to the game.
Me? I liked online game, but tinder sucks now, so I'm learning night game. I'm moving to a new city where maybe online is better and i'll just switch back. I have no desire to go out anymore than I need to to get laid. Going out and spam approaching 1,000 women doesn't strict me as any more effective than sitting down and pounding out 100 messages in an hour and spamming OKC or tinder. It's all in what works.
No one cares where you pull girls from, least I don't. I am opposed to online game because of the quality and I am above gassing up some average girl to get a bang.
I saw some girl on POF who works in a retail store at the local mall, she had her profile looking like she is in some big management position. So she, like many girls in my area over-value themselves, god knows how many thirsty guys are emailing her and I don't want to be part of that group.
Jof Superman seeking arrangement approach has me thinking, I just hate having my pic out there.
Location may vary of course, if I am travelling overseas I will send out a few emails on various sites to gauge the interest. I would probably set up a Tinder account next time as well.
I think daygame is the way to go, I simply don't see guys doing it where I live or if they do it is awkward. I personally get better results from nightgame.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Zooxanthellae - 05-26-2015
Quote: (05-26-2015 10:20 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:
Location may vary of course, if I am travelling overseas I will send out a few emails on various sites to gauge the interest. I would probably set up a Tinder account next time as well.
I think daygame is the way to go, I simply don't see guys doing it where I live or if they do it is awkward. I personally get better results from nightgame.
Last summer when I went to Germany and Poland, I used my Tinder (and OkCupid) quite a bit and I can say without a doubt as a brother... it is absolutely money, at least in those two countries, compared to Los Angeles where I live currently.
I had a metric fuckton of matches from Tinder on Poland and my picture was just me in front some random graffiti on a corner street.
I can't say what it would be like for a clean-cut brother since I definitely went the "I'm American and I like Hip-Hop" angle (which is true) so I might have got some Central European girls just off of the rap swag BS but it definitely was an eye-opner.
I was getting matches from 18 year olds (I'm in my late 20's) from crazy distances and shit... I was in Krakow and the girls were in Katowice (78km away) and still responding mindblowing in comparison to LA where I could go a week without a single "acceptable" match on Tinder.
It got to the point where I had to double-book dates from Tinder and hope the slightly uglier girl cancelled... or I would flake. Very different than the States.
In short, I totally co-sign brothers using Tinder in Central Europe, the proof was in the pudding.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - BossOfBosses - 05-26-2015
Being a black guy, you should use your "mysterious" factor to your advantage. Chicks dig mysterious, dark, brooding guys. The fact that black men are not only inherently different and mysterious, but also kind of rare (only 7% of the population) enhances the mystery and coolness factor you should be exploiting. Being "unfamiliar" should work for you, not against you.
Brooding rap/trap music (Jeezy,Rocko, etc) really cuts through and captures the essense of this mindset and listening to their stuff can put you in the right state of mind for this.
Tldr: Use differences/race to work for you not against you can dramatically improve your game and up your value.
My two cents (new to this forum)
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Fortis - 05-26-2015
^ Absolutely man.
My point was this: do what works for you. If online game wasn't working, I wouldn't do it.
If day game isn't doing it, I won't do it. If night game isn't doing it, then I don't do it.
I think some guys on the forum sometimes get it in their heads that if you don't get your bangs through x method then it isn't legit. I'm not saying you were saying that, RudeBwoy.
I recall that about a year ago this one guy was criticising another guy for only using social circle game to get laid. It was pretty silly. If my friends had friends I wanted to bang and I was able to do it consistently, I would do it.
Be like water, as Bruce Lee said.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Zooxanthellae - 05-26-2015
Quote: (05-24-2015 04:59 PM)Moma Wrote:
Here is the latest podcast with JOF superman. Enjoy!!
I've met JOF superman in person before, he is a genuine dude no doubt. I remember when he just started and how far he has come in success and game. He really has come a long way and when he says he has a thorough knowledge of classic game, it's true... he been doing daygame since the 00's even as a young'n.
Great episode and those win-loss stories were epic!
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Zooxanthellae - 05-26-2015
Quote: (05-26-2015 11:10 PM)Fortis Wrote:
^ Absolutely man.
My point was this: do what works for you. If online game wasn't working, I wouldn't do it.
If day game isn't doing it, I won't do it. If night game isn't doing it, then I don't do it.
I think some guys on the forum sometimes get it in their heads that if you don't get your bangs through x method then it isn't legit. I'm not saying you were saying that, RudeBwoy.
I recall that about a year ago this one guy was criticising another guy for only using social circle game to get laid. It was pretty silly. If my friends had friends I wanted to bang and I was able to do it consistently, I would do it.
Be like water, as Bruce Lee said.
I think what the "argument" is that it takes serious balls to do cold approach (especially daygame as a Black man) regularly year in and year out. Anyone who can stick through the bullshit of a cold approach lifestyle for more than even six months is a champion in some way shape or form. So I think so of those game purists are complaining because it doesn't take the same amount of concerted effort and courage to social circle it or online it or whatever.
Other the hand the main point of all of this shit to bang chicks, and it's not as if another man's game style is going to affect one individual guy's notch count.
To quote Jay-Z, "What you eat don't make me shit"
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Fortis - 05-26-2015
^ That's what I mean.
If you're getting results and you're not cold approaching, oh well. Most guys cold approach because it gets them laid. If it didn't work they wouldn't do it.
That said, I do think learning to cold approach is a useful life skill. If you're good at it, you're probably good with dealing with people and that is useful. That said, sometimes it isn't enough in some cities and for some guys.
If you're getting laid and you're doing what you want to do, then do it.
I know guys who are very good looking and can do every "beta" thing and girls will find their way to the bedroom with that man.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Moma - 05-26-2015
I do think cold approach is an important skill to have. I still believe it's the most organic form of game. Even if you eat heavily from other forms of game, it's good to hone cold approach for when you are out of your comfort zone. I keep it in mind always and try to hone it as it keeps me on my toes and gives me a fighting chance in foreign cities and foreign countries.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Fortis - 05-26-2015
^ Agreed. If one had to ask me where one could best invest his time frugally to get laid I would say cold approach game wins that debate far and away for most men.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Apollo21 - 05-27-2015
It's fine to have a favorite method for meeting women
one that saves you time and works for you.
However just like a business profits when they develop
multiple revenue streams, you also profit when you develop
a lifestyle that attracts women from multiple activities.
Online game is still in its infancy. There's a lot more to online game
than just Tinder, OkCupid, etc. Especially with social media.
You don't just want to meet women, You want to have a lifestyle that
brings you the best women. Consistently and effortlessly.
That's the goal; to have such a competitive advantage that while everyone
is out there working hard to meet more women, you're hardly working and
easily meeting more women than you can possibly handle.
In other words, Your cup is running over:-)
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Moma - 05-27-2015
apollo 21, you have a very valid point. For instance, take job hunting. Back in the day, it was all about pounding the pavements and handing in the resume in person to the company of choice.
These days, everything is done electronically and some companies will hire you based on a skype interview or even a voice interview.
Although, face to face (cold approach/day game) still holds a higher value (people trust what they can touch and feel), the cyber approach grows steadily every day and you do have some that use it as a mainstay to getting their fill.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Apollo21 - 05-27-2015
Moma, Exactly..face to face is powerful...however it's reach is quite literally arms distance
and you have no real control over factors like personality, quality and availability(whether she's
single, married dating etc)
It can be pretty frustrating, when you've got the skills and the girl clearly likes you
however she's got a boyfriend or she's living with someone or she's engaged.
Game in depth gives you more control so you can win in a competitive environment.
Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options - Fortis - 05-27-2015
Apollo, all I have been saying is that some guys get so little profit from 1 stream of revenue that they're better off not doing it, to keep with your business analogy. Currently not doing online because it sucks Where I am.
For jof he got 60 girls in 1 year off of strictly online game. Why would he do anything else? At that point, he'd be wasting time better spent building his side businessEs