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The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - MikeCF - 09-17-2013
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - Frost - 09-17-2013
Respect to Reaper and the Mikes for sharing their knowledge.
TRT is definitely on my radar. I'm 28 and feel great, but if I can feel great+ with a cautious and minimal-risk cycle, I'm open to some experimentation. So, my question for those of you who know what they're talking about: What would you do in my situation?
28 years old
10+ years of training, ~900 lift totals
No interest in competitive bodybuilding, powerlifting, pro sports
T levels steadily near top of healthy range for the past five years
Cautious, not willing to trade more than a little bit of longevity for gains today
I imagine there are quite a few guys on the forum with basically the same profile who could benefit from the information as well.
Also, what would you recommend for a man in his thirties who wants to maintain his late-twenties quality of life for as long as possible? It;s too bad Mark Sisson has to pretend he's only on fish oil, I would love to figure out exactly what I need to do to look like that when I'm sixty.
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - reaper23 - 09-17-2013
Quote: (09-17-2013 06:08 PM)MikeCF Wrote:
Quote: (09-17-2013 05:53 PM)reaper23 Wrote:
reading up on GH15. interesting character.
tren ace is the way to go he says
can't really argue with that
Could'v sworn I had sent you the GH 15 Bible:
http://gh15biblebodybuild.blogspot.com
i'm reading the shit out of it now
he is funny
and in my experience, he is right on about tren a. the rest of it? i can't say. and i cant afford real pharm GH at the doses he talks about...damn
but i dont want to be a body builder.
i just want to be way bigger than normal dudes and leaner, but no where near bodybuilder size, the pros that is
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - MikeCF - 09-17-2013
^ It's no secret what Sisson uses. He just doesn't tell anyone, because he's got supplements to push.
It does make me "LOL" when he writes about eating brazil nuts to boost testosterone, though. Yeah, that's his secret.
Meanwhile, guys on the same drugs goes to Firehouse in Venice and eats English muffins (OMG gluten!) and oatmeal (is that Paleo?) and cottage cheese and look the same or better.
Standard Anti-Aging Drug Protocol
2-4 ius daily of hgh.
150 mg/week of test cyp.
50-75 mg/day t3 (hgh messes with t3 levels of a lot of guys) to stay lean
A "hardening" steroids like anavar (mild on liver, basically safe to use year round) for those photo shoots.
Some Botox and collagen fillers and a little photoshop, and there you go.
Older guys still blast and cruise, but Sisson doesn't seem to get much bigger during the year. He's about the same size year round, so he's not on any heavy anabolics like tren.
He would probably even say he's all natural and he would probably believe his own lines. "All I'm doing is replacing my body's natural hormone production."
That's what Bulletproof coffee man says when called out on his testosterone use.
That's why "natural" doesn't have any means. The question is: Are you using exogenous hormones?
Harvey Levin (TMZ guy) goes to Gold's in Venice, and he looks great. He's 63. There are lots of guys his age at Gold's who look like that or better.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/QJ6tpyjtV...rvey+Levin
I could probably guess the name of Sisson's doctor, as all those guys in L.A. go to the same anti-aging clinic.
People can do waht they do. The dishonestly element comes in when they start telling supplements and saying their lifestyle boosts testosterone. Well, if so, then why do you need to shoot test and hgh?
It would be like a guy here posting pics of escorts he banged and then selling books on game.
Bang all the escorts you want. I won't even hate. But don't call that game.
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - rudebwoy - 09-17-2013
Harvey Levin is 63, what a shock and he looks pretty good.
Can I ask what you guys think of Sustanon?
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - reaper23 - 09-17-2013
"the use of 2 anabolic drugs such as the cow drug trenbolona and the horse drug equipona is making the biggest difference between the gym rat and a competetive bodybuilder at the top of his game,,"
word up. kinda scary isnt it?
whatever, i'm on board.
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - MikeCF - 09-17-2013
^ Trenbolone was just finaplex, which was used on bulls. Fina worked well but it also made the cattle lose too much fat.
Guys would order fina pellets online from vet stores and them home brew it into injectible tren.
Bodybuilding is an amazingly weird subculture.
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - Kristian - 09-18-2013
for those who have been using tren.
did u experienced side effects?The people I know who used it(5 in total),didnt suffered any of their side effects...also the maximum quantity per week they used were 300 mg/ml.
Its well known that the side effects appear using more than 500 per week during a period of more than 10 weeks
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - Frost - 09-18-2013
Idiot doctor refuses to help a 23 year old guy with 340 ng/dl because he falls within the 'normal' range:
http://forums.menshealth.com/eve/forums/...3091085557
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - T and A Man - 09-18-2013
Is there something behind gh15 writing like GB4M ?
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - reaper23 - 09-18-2013
Quote: (09-18-2013 06:35 AM)Kristian Wrote:
for those who have been using tren.
did u experienced side effects?The people I know who used it(5 in total),didnt suffered any of their side effects...also the maximum quantity per week they used were 300 mg/ml.
Its well known that the side effects appear using more than 500 per week during a period of more than 10 weeks
i definitely did. at one point i was experimenting with 100/mg per day or 700 per week. it works like a motherfucker but i experienced sides like high bp, shortness of breath, insomnia, easily irritable, general anxiety.
but, that was with test of say 500 or so. once i dropped the test down to trt levels, the sides from the tren went down a lot. only thing that stuck with me was not having the best cardio.
i've also run it at around 300/week and found very limited sides
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - 007 - 09-18-2013
Bro, if your test levels are in the upper normal range then do not fuck with it! I'm on trt because I was suffering form low testosterone.
You may want to consider very short 2 week blasts. They wont make you huge but over the course of a year you can transform your body like crazy whilst not harming your health or your natural test levels.
Try this
100mg per day of testosterone propionate for 14 days.
0.5 mg of arimidex m/w/f until day 14
25mg of clomid per day starting from day 10 and continue through to day 20-25.
Increase your calories during this two week period and then stay off for 6 weeks. Rinse and repeat.
I hope that helps
Quote: (09-17-2013 07:09 PM)Frost Wrote:
Respect to Reaper and the Mikes for sharing their knowledge.
TRT is definitely on my radar. I'm 28 and feel great, but if I can feel great+ with a cautious and minimal-risk cycle, I'm open to some experimentation. So, my question for those of you who know what they're talking about: What would you do in my situation?
28 years old
10+ years of training, ~900 lift totals
No interest in competitive bodybuilding, powerlifting, pro sports
T levels steadily near top of healthy range for the past five years
Cautious, not willing to trade more than a little bit of longevity for gains today
I imagine there are quite a few guys on the forum with basically the same profile who could benefit from the information as well.
Also, what would you recommend for a man in his thirties who wants to maintain his late-twenties quality of life for as long as possible? It;s too bad Mark Sisson has to pretend he's only on fish oil, I would love to figure out exactly what I need to do to look like that when I'm sixty.
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - Brisey - 09-18-2013
MikeCF and Mikeymike, what GH do you use/recommend?
I've been on 4iu's of Omnitrope (somatropin) for the last couple of months, results have been good but I see mixed reviews so i'm wondering if I should try another type.
Thanks
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - mikeymike - 09-18-2013
Quote: (09-18-2013 06:35 AM)Kristian Wrote:
for those who have been using tren.
did u experienced side effects?The people I know who used it(5 in total),didnt suffered any of their side effects...also the maximum quantity per week they used were 300 mg/ml.
Its well known that the side effects appear using more than 500 per week during a period of more than 10 weeks
"Its well known that the side effects appear using more than 500 per week during a period of more than 10 weeks" these blanket statements are silly, this is highly individual, some guys will face sides on little to no tren while others like myself can take loads and not feel much.
Funny thing with tren is side effects will appear as soon as you hit about 100mg per day, before that its minor but they dont get exceptionally worse the higher you go. Ive been as high as 300mg/day , 2100mg per week and the results were awesome while the sides weren't any worse than they were at 100mg per day. There are tricks of the trade in running low test alongside thatll cut back on sides significantly, depending on which symptoms you have either prami or caber as needed help eliminate many of the other sides. Some like decreased cardio output just take time to get used to. For those prone to anxiety, there isnt much that can be done to help for that so you just have to try it and see how it affects you. Blood pressure will go up but this varies amongst users, mine stays comfortably within range no matter how much I use but those with shit diets, those who dont do cardio and those just prone can have it get into dangerous ranges, just something to watch and keep an eye on but on a forum of 5k+ users who live on tren, its not as big an issue as its made out to be, just something everyone should monitor for safety sake. The more experience you have with tren the easier the rides get, I ran it for nearly 7 months out of the last year, im gonna adapt to it a lot more than the guy who uses it for 12-16 weeks once and doesnt touch it again for another year+ but even their subsequent runs will get easier.
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - reaper23 - 09-18-2013
Quote: (09-18-2013 09:02 AM)007 Wrote:
Bro, if your test levels are in the upper normal range then do not fuck with it! I'm on trt because I was suffering form low testosterone.
You may want to consider very short 2 week blasts. They wont make you huge but over the course of a year you can transform your body like crazy whilst not harming your health or your natural test levels.
Try this
100mg per day of testosterone propionate for 14 days.
0.5 mg of arimidex m/w/f until day 14
25mg of clomid per day starting from day 10 and continue through to day 20-25.
Increase your calories during this two week period and then stay off for 6 weeks. Rinse and repeat.
I hope that helps
Quote: (09-17-2013 07:09 PM)Frost Wrote:
Respect to Reaper and the Mikes for sharing their knowledge.
TRT is definitely on my radar. I'm 28 and feel great, but if I can feel great+ with a cautious and minimal-risk cycle, I'm open to some experimentation. So, my question for those of you who know what they're talking about: What would you do in my situation?
28 years old
10+ years of training, ~900 lift totals
No interest in competitive bodybuilding, powerlifting, pro sports
T levels steadily near top of healthy range for the past five years
Cautious, not willing to trade more than a little bit of longevity for gains today
I imagine there are quite a few guys on the forum with basically the same profile who could benefit from the information as well.
Also, what would you recommend for a man in his thirties who wants to maintain his late-twenties quality of life for as long as possible? It;s too bad Mark Sisson has to pretend he's only on fish oil, I would love to figure out exactly what I need to do to look like that when I'm sixty.
can you point to any studies that discuss the difference in restarting the HPTA after shut down periods of varying lengths?
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - mikeymike - 09-18-2013
Quote: (09-18-2013 09:02 AM)007 Wrote:
Bro, if your test levels are in the upper normal range then do not fuck with it! I'm on trt because I was suffering form low testosterone.
You may want to consider very short 2 week blasts. They wont make you huge but over the course of a year you can transform your body like crazy whilst not harming your health or your natural test levels.
Try this
100mg per day of testosterone propionate for 14 days.
0.5 mg of arimidex m/w/f until day 14
25mg of clomid per day starting from day 10 and continue through to day 20-25.
Increase your calories during this two week period and then stay off for 6 weeks. Rinse and repeat.
I hope that helps
Quote: (09-17-2013 07:09 PM)Frost Wrote:
Respect to Reaper and the Mikes for sharing their knowledge.
TRT is definitely on my radar. I'm 28 and feel great, but if I can feel great+ with a cautious and minimal-risk cycle, I'm open to some experimentation. So, my question for those of you who know what they're talking about: What would you do in my situation?
28 years old
10+ years of training, ~900 lift totals
No interest in competitive bodybuilding, powerlifting, pro sports
T levels steadily near top of healthy range for the past five years
Cautious, not willing to trade more than a little bit of longevity for gains today
I imagine there are quite a few guys on the forum with basically the same profile who could benefit from the information as well.
Also, what would you recommend for a man in his thirties who wants to maintain his late-twenties quality of life for as long as possible? It;s too bad Mark Sisson has to pretend he's only on fish oil, I would love to figure out exactly what I need to do to look like that when I'm sixty.
No offense but what god awful advice. Riding aas for 2 weeks is akin to not doing anything. Regardless of whether you use aas or not muscle takes time to build, a lot of time, 2 weeks will accomplish nothing towards progressing your body. Short cycles exist but even those are a min of 4 weeks in duration and usually run with very high doses, get in get out, this low dose for no time approach is pointless.
To Frost:
There are a lot of ways you could go for a minimal risk blast, but it depends on your goals, would you like to lean out, would you like to put on some muscle, would you like to recomp. Give us a direction to work with and the goal you have in mind.
Mikecf laid out the anti aging protocols and hes on point, keeping your test levels optimal and gh are the keys to any anti aging plan. Adding beyond that is dependant on the goals.
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - reaper23 - 09-18-2013
mikeymike:
any secrets on overcoming tren cardio?
i've found seroquel works great for trensomnia, but the cardio man..the cardio
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - mikeymike - 09-18-2013
Quote: (09-18-2013 09:09 AM)Brisey Wrote:
MikeCF and Mikeymike, what GH do you use/recommend?
I've been on 4iu's of Omnitrope (somatropin) for the last couple of months, results have been good but I see mixed reviews so i'm wondering if I should try another type.
Thanks
Ive used plenty of omintrope, quality gh, anything fda approved has met high standards of quality and will be real gh. Ive put on good size with minimal increase in bf running omnis, its a nice dry gh, some like humatrope will bring on more water and the appearance of more size but in time theyll accomplish the same thing... ultimately ive used seros, norditropin, saizen, omnis, genos, tevtropin, humatrope and all treated me well...I have preferences amongst them but omnis are amongst the ones I prefer so if you got them enjoy!! my theory with fda gh is get the one you can get for the best price per iu. I havent had bad results on any of them.
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - mikeymike - 09-18-2013
Quote: (09-18-2013 11:12 AM)reaper23 Wrote:
mikeymike:
any secrets on overcoming tren cardio?
i've found seroquel works great for trensomnia, but the cardio man..the cardio
Singulair, trens a vaso-constrictor so you need to open up breathing pathways...singulair will take care of tren cough somewhat and helps with shortness of breath as well as cardio.
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - reaper23 - 09-18-2013
Quote: (09-18-2013 11:29 AM)mikeymike Wrote:
Quote: (09-18-2013 11:12 AM)reaper23 Wrote:
mikeymike:
any secrets on overcoming tren cardio?
i've found seroquel works great for trensomnia, but the cardio man..the cardio
Singulair, trens a vaso-constrictor so you need to open up breathing pathways...singulair will take care of tren cough somewhat and helps with shortness of breath as well as cardio.
have you personally used this? i have, and I didnt find much relief.
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - mikeymike - 09-18-2013
Quote: (09-18-2013 12:20 PM)reaper23 Wrote:
Quote: (09-18-2013 11:29 AM)mikeymike Wrote:
Quote: (09-18-2013 11:12 AM)reaper23 Wrote:
mikeymike:
any secrets on overcoming tren cardio?
i've found seroquel works great for trensomnia, but the cardio man..the cardio
Singulair, trens a vaso-constrictor so you need to open up breathing pathways...singulair will take care of tren cough somewhat and helps with shortness of breath as well as cardio.
have you personally used this? i have, and I didnt find much relief.
I did and do, its the only thing that helps me with tren cardio, just had to tough it out prior to that. 10mg and im set.
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - mikeymike - 09-18-2013
I havent tried it myself but might want to look into albuterol, its a beta 2 antagonist and in theory it should open up breathing pathways by relaxing the smooth muscle in them, same idea as combatting an asthma attack, I havent needed to try it as singulairs been money for me but might be worth a shot. I know the inhaler will kill tren cough so it might open up pathways enough to help with shortness of breath and cardio as well.
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - reaper23 - 09-18-2013
MM: any other source besides Alldaychemist?
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - mikeymike - 09-18-2013
Quote: (09-18-2013 12:58 PM)reaper23 Wrote:
MM: any other source besides Alldaychemist?
for albuterol?
clearsky
inhousepharmacy.vu
not sure if aurapharm has it but you could check them
The "truth" behind non-natural bodybuilding... - reaper23 - 09-18-2013
Quote: (09-18-2013 01:06 PM)mikeymike Wrote:
Quote: (09-18-2013 12:58 PM)reaper23 Wrote:
MM: any other source besides Alldaychemist?
for albuterol?
clearsky
inhousepharmacy.vu
not sure if aurapharm has it but you could check them
singulair and others