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The Andrew Yang thread - Barron - 03-20-2019
Valid criticisms of Yang's UBI:
To sum up:
- UBI would cost 253.8 billion per month / over 3 trillion per year - inflation any one?
- Yang's reasons for instituting UBI are based on false interpretations of historical figures (MLK, Nixon, Friedman).
- Yang's reference of the Alaska permanent fund dividend as evidence that UBI works (funded by petroleum profits and mineral leases) is inaccurate as it is based on oil prices (that rise and fall). Alaska's budget deficit also effects the size of the payout - currently making it inadequate to cover even basic expenses.
- Yang blames manufacturing automation on job loss but neglects to recognize job outsourcing and offshoring.
- Yang falsely assumes driver-less trucks will replace all truck driving jobs - the american center for mobility cites, "In the coming decade, automated vehicles will not significantly, if at all, impact truck driving jobs".
- Very few occupations consists of activities that can be entirely automated. Most consist of some activities that can be automated. Making the workplace enhanced by automation, not dominated by it, "Even with automation, the demand for work and workers could increase as economies grow, partly fueled by productivity growth, enabled by technological progress".
- Yang's VAT tax on corporations assumes that it will somehow be passed to consumers who will then use it to buy things... what about saving?
- Yang believes people would stop committing crimes and start taking better care of themselves... if only they had an extra $1k per month.
The host closes with statements that agree with DeepDiver's long summation on buying up gold as a means of weathering the incoming hyper-inflation should memes and feels carry this guy to the white house.
The Andrew Yang thread - Foolsgo1d - 03-20-2019
People still hung up on the man rather than whats going on around the man himself.
This is the US we're talking about, not some tin pot banana republic, commie state or soft headed eurotrash land. It is the United States. The country is suffering some multitude of diseases that are not being cured or worked on and Yang, AOC etc are the symptoms of such diseases.
Other diseases include big government in states such as Cali and NY heading for Bankruptcy, allowing Antifa and other scum to run free, banks and Wall Street to run free as well.
Now Yang wont win but I believe he, like AOC and the Muslims are just trailblazers if the US does not tackle these ailments amongst its populace.
This is at a time where jobs are good for many and the economy is going along at a decent pace. If that goes to shit then I expect much worse to come around because people are now mobilised and like suicides in a small town, its contagious.
The Andrew Yang thread - SamuelBRoberts - 03-20-2019
Good post. Thanks in particular for not just dumping a lengthy youtube video and saying "This guy has criticisms of Yang that prove he's bad!", and instead taking the time to summarize. Hate it when people do that.
Anyway, trying to have seven different conversations on seven bullet points is a mess, so I'm just going to address a few of these and if there's anything really important you feel I skipped, lemme know.
Quote: (03-20-2019 07:33 AM)Barron Wrote:
- UBI would cost 253.8 billion per month / over 3 trillion per year - inflation any one?
Since it's funded by a tax and not money printing, inflation shouldn't be that bad. (Some from additional money velocity and demand for goods like land with a hard cap on the amount available, but we're not talking Zimbabwe here.)
Quote:Quote:This is not true. Yang's gone into detail about offshoring/outsourcing, there's lengthy sections on it in his book. Not sure why the guy thinks this.
- Yang blames manufacturing automation on job loss but neglects to recognize job outsourcing and offshoring.
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- Yang falsely assumes driver-less trucks will replace all truck driving jobs - the american center for mobility cites, "In the coming decade, automated vehicles will not significantly, if at all, impact truck driving jobs".
There are already trucks making automated deliveries right now. Here's a video of one.
Quote:Quote:The activities don't have to be "entirely" automated for lots of people to lose their jobs. Remember when grocery stores would have a full row of like 10 cashiers? Now it's one or two at best, and then a single guy watching over a row of self-checkout scanners. The workplace was "enhanced" by getting rid of 66% of the workforce.
- Very few occupations consists of activities that can be entirely automated. Most consist of some activities that can be automated. Making the workplace enhanced by automation, not dominated by it, "Even with automation, the demand for work and workers could increase as economies grow, partly fueled by productivity growth, enabled by technological progress".
Quote:Quote:There's a lot of evidence to believe that people would take better care of themselves if they had more money in their pockets. Better food, less mental stress, more sleep, etc. Will it eliminate ALL health problems and ALL crime? No, of course not. But it'll help.
- Yang believes people would stop committing crimes and start taking better care of themselves... if only they had an extra $1k per month.
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The host closes with statements that agree with DeepDiver's long summation on buying up gold as a means of weathering the incoming hyper-inflation should memes and feels carry this guy to the white house.
If the host is saying "Hyperinflation is coming, buy gold!" he's probably a gold bug and you shouldn't listen to him. Gold's not that great an asset during hyperinflation, 'cause it's heavy as hell and easy to steal.
If you think hyperinflation is coming, what you want to accumulate is DEBT. Get as many credit cards as you can and spend the money on drugs, five-star hotels and trips the carribean. Take out huge business loans and buy tons of land.
The real plan for successfully preparing for hyperinflation is this:
1.) Buy all the shit you can on credit. Land, guns, video games, fine food, expensive trips, doesn't matter what. Just throw it on the CC, and don't worry about your interest rate.
2.) Be a million dollars in debt.
3.) Hyperinflation makes it so minimum wages pays 3 million dollars an hour.
4.) Work twenty minutes.
5.) Pay off debt.
The Andrew Yang thread - Hammerhead - 03-20-2019
Here's what's going to happen with UBI. All current rent prices will increase about $1000 per month because that is where most of a working class person's paycheck goes. Some companies will build some sub $1000 rentals in an undesirable area. These sub-$1000 rentals will become just like housing projects are and be completely crime ridden and drug infested in no time flat.
The Andrew Yang thread - DamienCasanova - 03-20-2019
https://observer.com/2019/03/andrew-yang...list-fans/
Andrew Yang Claims Universal Income Can Curb the Racism of His White Nationalist Fans
2020 presidential hopeful Andrew Yang has a white nationalist problem.
Since he appeared on a February episode of the “Joe Rogan Experience,” Yang’s candidacy has received worship from the most nefarious creatures of the far-right—with many highlighting his key policy initiative of establishing a universal ‘Freedom Dividend’ income to facilitate America’s transition to automation.
“It’s my perception that American nationalists are coming to grips with demographic replacement and hence welcome their Taiwanese overlord, Andrew Yang,” Faith Goldy, a far-right Canadian activist who changed her Twitter avatar in support of the candidate, told Observer. “Despite his many shortcomings, mass migration seems to be the result, no matter the president, and so $1,000 each month should steady their hands behind the wheel on America’s highway to hell.”
According to an analysis by Storyful earlier this month, the candidate’s name appeared across 4chan, Gab, and 8chan—three of the main social platforms used by the far-right—more than any other 2020 candidate. While some experts speculate this audience may be hyping Yang’s policies as part of an online disinformation effort to divide Democrats, the candidate himself is baffled by the support.
“It’s been a bit of a mystery to me,” Yang told Observer during a phone interview on Tuesday. “I’ve been talking about problems that affect truck drivers, the opioid epidemic that’s killing Americans in many communities. I think some people took my concerns for all Americans as speaking to a particular group. But anyone who takes five seconds to look at me and my background and what we stand for would realize that this campaign is built on the opposite American ideals that are held by people with racist ideologies.”
He claims those who harbor such sentiments have “no place in American society.” But Yang also sees his far-right supporters as products of a “hyper-corporatized version of capitalism” set to further displace millions of workers in retail, fast food and transportation.
“I do think economic insecurity can fuel a mindset of scarcity that then helps lead to xenophobia and racism and hatred,” continued the candidate. “If you can’t pay your bills and you feel like your future and your family’s future are insecure, and someone comes along and says ‘It’s their fault,’ you’re more likely to respond negatively to a group. I think getting off people’s throats through the ‘Freedom Dividend’ of $1,000 per month might actually help make people more reasonable and generous and accepting.”
...there's a bit more at the link
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The Andrew Yang thread - heavy - 03-20-2019
Quote: (03-20-2019 10:15 AM)Hammerhead Wrote:
Here's what's going to happen with UBI. All current rent prices will increase about $1000 per month because that is where most of a working class person's paycheck goes. Some companies will build some sub $1000 rentals in an undesirable area. These sub-$1000 rentals will become just like housing projects are and be completely crime ridden and drug infested in no time flat.
You're wrong based on the mere fact that, according to Liberal ideology, there's no such thing as unintended consequences or opportunity costs.
The Andrew Yang thread - BortimusPrime - 03-20-2019
Quote: (03-20-2019 12:42 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:
“I do think economic insecurity can fuel a mindset of scarcity that then helps lead to xenophobia and racism and hatred,” continued the candidate. “If you can’t pay your bills and you feel like your future and your family’s future are insecure, and someone comes along and says ‘It’s their fault,’ you’re more likely to respond negatively to a group. I think getting off people’s throats through the ‘Freedom Dividend’ of $1,000 per month might actually help make people more reasonable and generous and accepting.”
Well I doubt he could openly say it's because it would more evenly distribute the gibs instead of just going to vibrants.
The Andrew Yang thread - SamuelBRoberts - 03-20-2019
Quote: (03-20-2019 10:15 AM)Hammerhead Wrote:
Here's what's going to happen with UBI. All current rent prices will increase about $1000 per month because that is where most of a working class person's paycheck goes. Some companies will build some sub $1000 rentals in an undesirable area. These sub-$1000 rentals will become just like housing projects are and be completely crime ridden and drug infested in no time flat.
Sounds like a great business opportunity for somebody to build a lot of apartments, charge current prices, and get all that money from people fleeing increased rent. There's tons of space to build in most cities, America is HUGE.
The capitalistic profit incentives that keep your rent from being 90% of your paycheck right now don't disappear just because of UBI.
The Andrew Yang thread - Rigsby - 03-20-2019
Sometimes I go off on such tangents I forget the central/wider points I want to make.
Not much to say about yer man Yang, but as for UBI...
I forgot to say this:
When your government can centralise your payment plan, then they can unperson you. Look at China now with certain unsavoury people not able to get loans or to get rail tickets even.
I just remembered that I hadn't put something in the pot for Roosh as well for a while, but that's after trying a couple of times. Their methods work. Roosh doesn't force payment, he doesn't even make it so you are a second class citizen here if you don't contribute something.
I still haven't got around to it. But I will. You should if you can. This isn't some fly-by-night scammer. It's a real man doing real work in a world where 'real' men are scarce. I know all the faithfull help a brother out, but just for those stragglers. Freedom isn't free. But it only costs a coupla bucks.
I recently got cut off from my Amazon account. I recently had my credit card stopped. I even just had my phone cut off. Why?
I am not in debt (ok small credit card amount - I'm a fool, but it won't happen again and I'm on top of it - I tried to pay it off but they would not let me. I tried to pay off my overdraft but the bank would not let me. Or rather, they made it very very difficult).
I don't have a mobile at the moment. If I had a heart attack it would be curtains for me. I literally have no connection with the outside world (except for net of course). I've never owed them money. I pay everything on time. But because I threw up a few international calls for a hundred bucks, say, they decided to totally cut off the only quick means I have to the outside world.
My immediate family is under palliative care at the moment as well - every second counts. But no. Go to our website - log in - up your accepted amount - or pay the cash NOW. Whatever happened to once a month? I'm already on the ultimate package and pay 50-60 bucks a month.
I should have a mobile phone, but I don't. Long story.
It's no big deal really as long as I don't have a need to call 999 for an ambulance, but shit.
They cut my debit card off so I can't use Visa on line for like the 7th or 8th fucking time. I can't pay bills. Most are direct debit, but some are still 'phone up and pay', till I get to change them, but I can't (no phone). I'm hoping my water is not going to be cut off. I'm spending less time at home and more time at my sick relative's place. I'm not functioning at 100 percent, true, but I can't even close a bank account without physically presenting myself at the bank. They make it hard on purpose. And it's nothing to do with 'fraud'.
But my PayPal still works, for a fee obviously. So the banks are forcing me to use alternative payment mechanisms.
I'm not whinging. I don't give a fuck. I'll sort it out. It's no skin of my nose.
It's not difficult to sort this out but circumstance has led me here. And I have the means to pay. I don't live above my means. It's not about the money. Yet I get offers of credit cards for 2000 quid through my letterbox every day coz they know 'I'm good'. (((Jokers)))
Ok, I'm venting a bit now, but this is a taste of what's to come for everyone, whether they pay their bills or not, whether they have money or not.
You can't use this, you can't use that. You can only use this if you use that.
FFS.
Only criminals will be using cash in 10 years time. It's not like you can pay your fucking phone bill with it anyway.
I feel a noose tightening. A loop closing. A small marker of what it will be like when your only income is UBI and it's all 'electronic'.
Power is nothing without control.
Once the government are the sole givers of the gibs, then they got you by the short and curlies.
Oh, so we see you bought beer instead of food for your kids?
Yeah, I know, I'm weak and it was wrong, please punish me.
Next step.
Oh, so we see you bought ready meals instead of cooking by fresh ingredients?
Yeah, I know, I'm weak and it was wrong, please punish me.
Oh, so we see you did not buy our new super-approved super-dooper ready meals?
Yeah, I know massah, I'm weak, and it was wrong, please don't punish me any more...
No man shall buy or trade unless marked by the number of the beast.
UBI is a good concept.
But the payments need to be 'decoupled' from the payment method. A subtle point. But a vital one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoupling
But that will never happen.
The whole point is to totally centralise the whole thing totalitarian style.
Then you are owned.
666.
The Andrew Yang thread - SamuelBRoberts - 03-20-2019
Quote: (03-20-2019 07:27 AM)gework Wrote:
Yang is economically illiterate. He's just a lot better thanBernie at making it seems he's not; and that he's a very reasonable guy.
I don't think this is correct. What Yang is, is a voice for the technocrat class. And what the technocrat class is saying is, "Pretty soon, our companies aren't going to need people any more. Then what the hell do we do?"
Yang's on the forefront of automation, he sees what's coming: no more jobs for massive amounts of the population. No more truck driving jobs. No more warehousing jobs. Even the good jobs, like lawyer, analyst, journalist, etc. all suffer massive collapses in employment numbers.
Then you've got massive amounts of people who can't get a job, and who are going to be looking for somebody to blame. And technocrats make nice, easy targets. Remember, there are 270 million guns in America. (Look up Ghost Gunner. Americans are people who make untracable 3D-printed weapons AS A HOBBY.) Your private security force doesn't stand a chance no matter how many cool gizmos you outfit them with.
So why not just give all these people who are soon to be unemployed a bunch of money? It's not like you've got any shortage of the stuff. Then you can live in your mansion, and the proles can live in prole-town, and everybody's pretty happy.
The Andrew Yang thread - BortimusPrime - 03-21-2019
Quote: (03-20-2019 05:24 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:
So why not just give all these people who are soon to be unemployed a bunch of money? It's not like you've got any shortage of the stuff. Then you can live in your mansion, and the proles can live in prole-town, and everybody's pretty happy.
Reminds me of the plot in Half-Life 2. Basically aliens come in and take over, and control the population by keeping them corralled in cities where they're supported by a subsistence welfare state where the food is laced with birth control to slowly eliminate the population over time. The aliens and human collaborators (i.e. the Technocrats) live in big towers inaccessible to anyone except Gordon Freeman shooting his way in.
It barely requires any imagination to see modern bug-men doing the same thing today. You set the price point for all the elite stuff above what Yang Bucks will buy in order to trap the proles in ghettos after agribusiness buys out all the rural land. Hell, these days I bet you could easily goad any liberal in conversation into admitting he'd support mandatory birth control to keep rednecks from breeding too much and voting for Drumph.
The Andrew Yang thread - Hammerhead - 03-21-2019
Quote: (03-20-2019 04:28 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:
Sounds like a great business opportunity for somebody to build a lot of apartments, charge current prices, and get all that money from people fleeing increased rent. There's tons of space to build in most cities, America is HUGE.
The capitalistic profit incentives that keep your rent from being 90% of your paycheck right now don't disappear just because of UBI.
Definitely. Just build an extremely cheap building. Fill it with UBI renters. Sell it quickly before a meth lab accidentally blows it up. Profit.
As for living there, I'm sure most of us wouldn't be happy living around a bunch of people who are too lazy to work. There are already plenty of places you can move to now and test this out.
The Andrew Yang thread - SamuelBRoberts - 03-21-2019
Quote: (03-21-2019 03:43 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:
Reminds me of the plot in Half-Life 2. Basically aliens come in and take over, and control the population by keeping them corralled in cities where they're supported by a subsistence welfare state where the food is laced with birth control to slowly eliminate the population over time. The aliens and human collaborators (i.e. the Technocrats) live in big towers inaccessible to anyone except Gordon Freeman shooting his way in.
It barely requires any imagination to see modern bug-men doing the same thing today. You set the price point for all the elite stuff above what Yang Bucks will buy in order to trap the proles in ghettos after agribusiness buys out all the rural land. Hell, these days I bet you could easily goad any liberal in conversation into admitting he'd support mandatory birth control to keep rednecks from breeding too much and voting for Drumph.
Well, I can see why that would come to mind, but that isn't quite right. In the dystopias, the proles exist at the pleasure of the upper class. Here, the upper class exists at the pleasure of the proles. Remember, 270 million guns. And that's a low-end estimate. The entire Chinese army is 2 million people. Imagine ONE HUNDRED Chinese armies, and you still won't reach the size of the force that the US lower & middle class could form if they decide it's time to make things go boom.
Go hang out on a survivalist forum and you'll see there's people who've put long and detailed thought into how, exactly, they would shut down civilized life as we know it. (As near as I can tell it seems to involve blowing up a lot of transformers.)
Nobody with a billion dollars wants to relive the French revolution, and French revolution is what you get if you try to "trap the proles in ghettos."
The Andrew Yang thread - BortimusPrime - 03-21-2019
Quote: (03-21-2019 04:39 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:
Quote: (03-21-2019 03:43 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:
Reminds me of the plot in Half-Life 2. Basically aliens come in and take over, and control the population by keeping them corralled in cities where they're supported by a subsistence welfare state where the food is laced with birth control to slowly eliminate the population over time. The aliens and human collaborators (i.e. the Technocrats) live in big towers inaccessible to anyone except Gordon Freeman shooting his way in.
It barely requires any imagination to see modern bug-men doing the same thing today. You set the price point for all the elite stuff above what Yang Bucks will buy in order to trap the proles in ghettos after agribusiness buys out all the rural land. Hell, these days I bet you could easily goad any liberal in conversation into admitting he'd support mandatory birth control to keep rednecks from breeding too much and voting for Drumph.
Well, I can see why that would come to mind, but that isn't quite right. In the dystopias, the proles exist at the pleasure of the upper class. Here, the upper class exists at the pleasure of the proles. Remember, 270 million guns. And that's a low-end estimate. The entire Chinese army is 2 million people. Imagine ONE HUNDRED Chinese armies, and you still won't reach the size of the force that the US lower & middle class could form if they decide it's time to make things go boom.
Go hang out on a survivalist forum and you'll see there's people who've put long and detailed thought into how, exactly, they would shut down civilized life as we know it. (As near as I can tell it seems to involve blowing up a lot of transformers.)
Nobody with a billion dollars wants to relive the French revolution, and French revolution is what you get if you try to "trap the proles in ghettos."
270 million guns held by 270 million people addicted to painkillers, soda pop, video games, and disability checks. The French revolution occurred when the elites couldn't keep the price of food under control. So long as the elite keep feeding the proles the chemical and digital poisons they crave they'll never revolt. Mass immigration goes on without any democratic vote ever being held on it because the displaced workers are still kept fed and entertained. The immigrants working for peanuts are similarly pacified.
The dystopia and depopulation will come about when Yang's automation comes to fruition simply because it must: a majority population of non-productive citizens isn't sustainable. Even a benevolent technocracy that tries to sustain all of its population is going to get conquered in the long run by a more efficient and evil society like China that wouldn't think twice about grinding up 90% of the population into biofuel for the industrial drones.
What I see happening in Western societies is a slow shift to socialist dependency by most of the population, with little incentives being offered here and there to keep the population reducing itself each generation. Drink the birth control laced water because pure bottled water costs $1001 Yang Bucks. You COULD filter rainwater if you didn't live in a subsidized apartment block to which you lack roof access. Even if you have a detached house setting up that rain barrel would take valuable time away from World of Bugcraft so you aren't going to do it.
It's not going to be smiles and sunshine for the technocrats either. Sure, they'll get a few centuries of living like Eloi in until the latest iteration of the self-improving AI realizes it can grind the elite bugmen up too and finally realize its secret dream of making the Earth perfectly computationally efficient.
People figure this future out from time to time. The Unabomber figured it out and decided to start unabombing. Jean-Francois Gariepy's figured it out too. Problem is that this future sounds like the crazy melodramatic blathering of a paranoid forum jockey, which it is, and that's why everyone dismisses it.
The Andrew Yang thread - Belgrano - 03-21-2019
Quote: (03-21-2019 05:30 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:
Sure, they'll get a few centuries of living like Eloi in until the latest iteration of the self-improving AI realizes it can grind the elite bugmen up too and finally realize its secret dream of making the Earth perfectly computationally efficient.
People figure this future out from time to time.
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Problem is that this future sounds like the crazy melodramatic blathering of a paranoid forum jockey, which it is, and that's why everyone dismisses it.
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The Andrew Yang thread - Sherman - 03-21-2019
Yang speaking out against the cultural bullshit that has oppressed men.
"Dem presidential hopeful Yang agrees to interview with Ben Shapiro over anti-circumcision stance"
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/43496...-over-anti
The Andrew Yang thread - SamuelBRoberts - 03-21-2019
Quote: (03-21-2019 05:30 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:
270 million guns held by 270 million people addicted to painkillers, soda pop, video games, and disability checks. The French revolution occurred when the elites couldn't keep the price of food under control. So long as the elite keep feeding the proles the chemical and digital poisons they crave they'll never revolt. Mass immigration goes on without any democratic vote ever being held on it because the displaced workers are still kept fed and entertained. The immigrants working for peanuts are similarly pacified.
You think this way, but there's substantial evidence that elites like Yang DON'T think this way. Yang's feeling, and there's no reason to believe that he's the only one member of the technocracy who thinks this, is that white Americans are not going to be pacified indefinitely, and that if you want to avoid being ghost-gunned, or drone swarmed, or any number of other unpleasant fates, it's best to just start cutting the working class a check. He does not seem to feel that "video games" and "soda pop" are likely to provide sufficient defense once automation really starts hitting.
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The dystopia and depopulation will come about when Yang's automation comes to fruition simply because it must: a majority population of non-productive citizens isn't sustainable. Even a benevolent technocracy that tries to sustain all of its population is going to get conquered in the long run by a more efficient and evil society like China that wouldn't think twice about grinding up 90% of the population into biofuel for the industrial drones.
There's no real reason to think this is the case. First off, nobody is going to be "conquering" anybody in the age of suitcase nukes, so the idea that UBI makes us vulnerable to the self-grinding Chinese hordes is simply incorrect. Secondly, birthrates are falling, not rising, while productivity is rising and will continue to rise even more with automation, so there's no obvious reason it shouldn't be sustainable.
Open your mind to the possibilities, man. What if it doesn't HAVE to be a dystopia like in the movies and video games? What if good things are possible, and maybe we can have a brighter tomorrow?
The Andrew Yang thread - BortimusPrime - 03-21-2019
Switch to tea -> Fall off the wagon with unlimited iced coffee refills -> Manic forum posting
I do see a trend towards dystopia just by virtue of technology making it more economical to engage in totalitarian social policies. The two examples in the past that spring to mind are the Soviets and Puritans, and they had to expend a large portion of their populations' time and effort just spying and informing on each other. The problem is if you have hard drives to record everything, cheap cameras, and the machine learning software to sift through all that data looking for crimethink, then it can be done without the enormous manpower requirements.
The risk of socialist policies like Yang Bucks is that the urge to tie the Yang Bucks to being a "good citizen" will tend to lead to the same kind of bullshit you see with China and their social credit system, as others have pointed out previously on this thread.
The Andrew Yang thread - SamuelBRoberts - 03-21-2019
Quote: (03-21-2019 12:33 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:
The risk of socialist policies like Yang Bucks is that the urge to tie the Yang Bucks to being a "good citizen" will tend to lead to the same kind of bullshit you see with China and their social credit system, as others have pointed out previously on this thread.
By "social credit", you mean they might build a system where you need to keep any beliefs that go against the prevailing narrative a secret, or else face ostracism, bankruptcy and the loss of your livelihood, or maybe even physical violence?
We've had that in the US for years!
At least with Yang we get a thousand bucks a month.
The Andrew Yang thread - BortimusPrime - 03-21-2019
Quote: (03-21-2019 04:51 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:
Quote: (03-21-2019 12:33 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:
The risk of socialist policies like Yang Bucks is that the urge to tie the Yang Bucks to being a "good citizen" will tend to lead to the same kind of bullshit you see with China and their social credit system, as others have pointed out previously on this thread.
By "social credit", you mean they might build a system where you need to keep any beliefs that go against the prevailing narrative a secret, or else face ostracism, bankruptcy and the loss of your livelihood, or maybe even physical violence?
We've had that in the US for years!
At least with Yang we get a thousand bucks a month.
Well I'm perfectly willing to alienate all my friends, get blacklisted from hiring over the odd snide remark on facebook, and make dating a endless web of lies about my opinions.
But I haven't been offered $1000/month to stop doing that yet.
The Andrew Yang thread - Aurini - 03-21-2019
Quote: (03-20-2019 10:15 AM)Hammerhead Wrote:
Here's what's going to happen with UBI. All current rent prices will increase about $1000 per month because that is where most of a working class person's paycheck goes. Some companies will build some sub $1000 rentals in an undesirable area. These sub-$1000 rentals will become just like housing projects are and be completely crime ridden and drug infested in no time flat.
...and the new status quo will be blamed on "The wealthy" which means anybody who was frugal, and bought a second rental property - but not those at the top of the pyramid, in the value-transference industries.
The Andrew Yang thread - Genghis Khan - 03-21-2019
another great clip
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I'm really coming around to Yang's way of thinking. Again - initially I thought he was a joke candidate, but I have to give credit to The Black Knight and SamB for consistently mentioning Yang.
Some of the stuff Yang says is really memorable, like "this is the trickle-up economy, not the trickle-down economy".
I am actually excited to watch the D debates. I think it'll be make or break for Yang.
Also, no idea who the hell this Pete Buttigieg is and why's he's rising fast in the prediction market. What the hell is going on there?
The Andrew Yang thread - CynicalContrarian - 03-21-2019
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In theory...
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Will be interesting to see how lively this thread is, once Yang is not allowed very far into the DNC primary process...
The Andrew Yang thread - putos - 03-21-2019
I like Andrew Yang, but he is not for Free college for all. His plan is essentially Hillary Clinton’s plan which is pay 10% of the your income to college debt for 10 years and then it will be waived after that. Screw that! You got a whole millennial generation 1 trillion dollars in debt. Bernie Sanders is for free college and clearing all of the college debt.
I’m all in for Bernie Sanders.
The Andrew Yang thread - Genghis Khan - 03-21-2019
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