Quote: (10-25-2014 05:23 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

GOP= Grand "OLD" Party!

That tells you everything you need to know about Republicans. Its the party of old people that want to go back to the "good ole days," You know when there was more white people and Blacks couldn't vote, no rock music, no rap music, no weed, or coke, no sex.

Although a lot of their ideas I do agree with, like smaller government, lowering taxes to help small businesses, being pro-life and their stance on gay marriage, but as a Hispanic American I just can't get passed their racism.

If I'm a Hispanic sitting at home watching the news on tv and all of a sudden I see hear Steve King the Republican congressman from Iowa saying that the majority of Latinos are drug dealers, you think I'm going to really be for that?

and when I see photos like these at tea party rallies I just smh:








As much as I believe in conservative principles, as I proud Latino, there is just no way in hell I could ever vote Republican, A lot of Republicans are just too damn racist and I will feel very uncomfortable attending a Tea Party Rally.

George W. Bush actually talked about this in his last press conference before he left. He said that he felt like the Republican party was being to inclusive which then I interpreted as being "too white."

Just my 2 cents.

There are racists on both sides. TBH, there are probably more racists on the left. You are just simply swallowing the worthless liberal main stream media's lies without even looking into it.

Vote your principles. Vote what you know will give you the best opportunities in life. Not based on fear mongering from the liberal main stream media. These same sickening images can be show from both sides. Such as strong hold Democrats in the N.O.W. claiming all men are rapists or many of Al Sharpton's racists blurbs over the years and many, many more.

To say there are as many racists on the left as on the right is like saying all women are beautiful.

Pure bullshit and you know it.

Who parades confederate flags and acts surprised they are considered racist?

A non white person tells you they are uncomfortable with the racism on the right and you just act like its made up.

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Quote: (10-25-2014 08:03 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

^There are as many IF NOT MORE racists on the left as there are on the right. I would argue that out of the two, the lefty racist is worse. Here's why:

Typical leftie: "Fuck racism! Racism sucks! All of those southern rednecks can go fuck themselves. Fucking asshole motherfuckers!"
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Oh, wait. Did I mention that this typical leftie piece of shit hypocrite lives in an all-white, gated community and sends his kids to private school so that they can avoid fraternizing with black and hispanic kids? That's not racism? That is racism par excellence, hidden by empty rhetoric of "equality" and "cultural diversity". Leftists could care less about minorities.

Agreed. The left is just as racist..if not more so, than the right. The right wingers are just open and upfront about it. The lefts racism is more systematic and institutionalized; no one is going around shouting the 'N' word and waving Confederate flags but they'll import millions of illegals from Latin America and pit them against blacks for jobs and housing. Look at Hollywood, ran and OWNED by the left. Denying dark skinned blacks roles, flat out shutting out Asians (except for Kung Fu movies), having black movie producers sell out for a buck like Tyler Perry (Spike Lee makes conscious shit and he fades into the background). Feminism...created by the left, made the Black Family their number one target to keep them down after the Civil Right movement (where was this bra burning during the 40s? 50s?) to mention the right has two Indian American governors, an African American senator, a Latino governor, and four female governors. The left loves to coddle minority groups but feel uncomfortable putting them into power, except for our light skinned President with no Negro dialect (with apologies to Harry Reid).

Quote: (10-25-2014 08:38 AM)Jack198 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-25-2014 07:37 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Quote: (10-25-2014 04:39 AM)Akula Wrote:  

There is also the reality that the US dollars promised to you today will be worth much, much less in the future.

Reality is what is here now. What you're arguing is a projection, which will I think to some extent come true.

Lucky my pension is inflation indexed, huh?

It seems like some people _want_things to fuck up...so they can be right. It's couched as "I'm concerned for the future" but I don't buy it.

This is reality. The fact that they are even considering cutting military pensions ought to make you think twice about your whatever "inflation indexed" pension you have - there are no guarantees.

While you acknowledge the truth to some extent, your safety net of indexing may not be what you think it is. Have a look at what numbers they use for indexing your plan. More than likely they rely on government published stats for inflation, which are notoriously low and conveniently exclude basic things like food and fuel. Guess that's great for those who don't plan to eat or buy gas in retirement. If your plan is indexed to the official rate, you're already falling behind in terms of actual purchasing power.

Government isn't stupid - it always leaves a back door for itself and you have no privity of contract with them, neither do social security recipients or other beneficiaries - they all stand to get cut loose when the situation warrants it best for Uncle Sam to do so. Let's not even talk about the legions of illegal immigrants who just got moved to the front of the social security line the minute they arrived, without paying one cent into the system. Which group has more votes, and for longer? Old boomers or young illegals starting to get used to government benefits?

It isn't like I want the plane to crash on takeoff but when I can see it's running out of runway and it's got way too many people on board, facts are facts - it won't make it.

This is entirely correct. Several governments around the world are responding to this in a variety of ways. One way is by raising the retirement age. Australia recently raised it from 65 to 67. Denmark, I believe, has linked it to life expectancy. You can actually see the retirement ages here. Just on a side note, in most countries, despite women living longer than men, they have a younger retirement age. WTF?

The other thing that is happening is changing the actual conditions of retirement schemes. Several years ago, the Australian government realised that the Baby Boomers weren't going to have enough money for retirement. So, they offered an incentive for people to move money into the superannuation scheme. Up to one million dollars could be put into it and it would only be taxed at 15% on entry. They promised that it would not be taxed upon exit. That was the incentive for putting the money in, after all. Fast forward a few years and a new administration completely reneged on that. You can read about it here.

Last year, my father was livid about that. I just shrugged my shoulders. It was the government he was talking about, after all. If you swim with sharks you get bitten.

To be honest, trusting any administration right now is absurd, but to trust a future administration is downright foolhardy because they can always claim that, 1) circumstances have changed, 2) they didn't make those promises, it was a previous administration.

The real nuclear option will be when governments start seizing private retirement/investment funds under bail-ins that then pay out a government pension under the ruse of it being for the good of the country.

The entire topic of trusting your money to the government reminds me of this:

Quote: (10-25-2014 07:17 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

To say there are as many racists on the left as on the right is like saying all women are beautiful.

Pure bullshit and you know it.

Who parades confederate flags and acts surprised they are considered racist?

A non white person tells you they are uncomfortable with the racism on the right and you just act like its made up.

Please, I'm what uncle Sam called a minority. The left elites are just more discreet about the whole race thing because, us, minorities are considered part of their farm. Try to get out the line where they want you and you will get bullets coming at you from all angles. Try it!

Besides I'm assuming you are Black, you need to play your cards close to your chest if you always vote for the same party those in power of such party will ALWAYS take you for granted. You do not want that. Your community will gain much more if plays one against the other.

About the Confederate Flags, yeah there are stupid people on both bands. I see so called Big Democrats professing their love everyday for certain government and ideologies. Sean Peann loving his Chavez buddy, Denny Hover talking trash about America and professing its love for Russia, hippies wearing Che Guevarra Shirts. LOL, and may I remind you that Communism in the last century killed more people than the American Civil War.

And for real, you are telling me that you are voting for the party that its leader at one time signed NAFTA, and the destruction of America Manufacturing base with all its good blue collar work jobs and salary. The Party of the Poor and the Workers. LMFAOL .

Who is more racist in this scenario..

#1 A person who outright tells you what their political and racial beliefs are and you know where they stand from the start.

or

#2 A person who tells you they are your friend meanwhile they conspire and politic behind your back trying to manipulate you to gain more authority and power over you. All the while having the same viewpoints as person #1 behind closed doors.


There is a lot of truth to liberals having just as many if not more "racists" amongst them. They are just pandering towards race for political gain. The whole multiculturalism thing has always been a farce.

Why vote? Free thinkers run for the hills from politics

You guys have made excellent points about white racists voting Democrat due to the reasons above. I have been to Tea Party events. There was never any racist signs or confederate flags. I have heard on radio about a random guy with such a flag or poster and the other people there demanded they leave. They don't want that crap, it doesn't help their cause. It is so ignorant for anyone to think it would help their cause that you would be more likely to believe it is some paid professional leftist protestor trying to make the right look bad. The left has been known for years to bus in professional protestors.

But when it comes to racism, I don't see only white people as potential racists. All people of all races can be racist. And the left/Democrats have tons of non-white racists, which create divisions, and in the end hurts minorities FAR more today than any white racists could dream to do. Look at who runs the minority communities... The Democrats. And many of these areas you do not drive through during the day time. This is helping minorities, leaving them in conditions like this? Really?

The Tea Party gets treated like the Gamergate people do. 'They're all a bunch of misogynists/racists/cishaters!'

Yeah, there are some but the number is small and the media blatantly tries to portray them as representing the whole.

It's like if I were to go to a Democratic Party convention, solely interview the SDS and CPUSA guys outside, and portray them as representing the values of everyone in attendance.

Quote: (10-25-2014 05:23 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

GOP= Grand "OLD" Party!

That tells you everything you need to know about Republicans. Its the party of old people that want to go back to the "good ole days," You know when there was more white people and Blacks couldn't vote, no rock music, no rap music, no weed, or coke, no sex.

Although a lot of their ideas I do agree with, like smaller government, lowering taxes to help small businesses, being pro-life and their stance on gay marriage, but as a Hispanic American I just can't get passed their racism.

If I'm a Hispanic sitting at home watching the news on tv and all of a sudden I see hear Steve King the Republican congressman from Iowa saying that the majority of Latinos are drug dealers, you think I'm going to really be for that?

and when I see photos like these at tea party rallies I just smh:








As much as I believe in conservative principles, as I proud Latino, there is just no way in hell I could ever vote Republican, A lot of Republicans are just too damn racist and I will feel very uncomfortable attending a Tea Party Rally.

George W. Bush actually talked about this in his last press conference before he left. He said that he felt like the Republican party was being to inclusive which then I interpreted as being "too white."

Just my 2 cents.

You're being assuming to make those assertions. It may be because you're not well studied on the topic, but intellectual laziness is no excuse.

The "GOP" was formed with the intent of stopping slavery from being legalized in the newer american territories of the time. Republicans won the elections during the civil rights era and it was democrats that were disenchanted with the passage of the civil rights act. Know your history.

As far as the tea party goes, I'm feeling déjà vu over debating you on their racism. I'm sure I brought this up before in fact. The tea party has several black candidates, even a rapping black activist in their ranks.


To push an agenda without knowledge is irresponsible at best.
To push an agenda whether you can back it or not is trolling or corruption.
Read up before you speak up

How much longer before we see a Men's Rights platform go mainstream/find it's way into one of the 2 parties platforms?

Oppression of men is gaining some momentum, this woman wrote a book on it and became a top seller:

Men on Strike

These are the kinds of candidates the Democrats are pushing. I was glad the crowd laughed at her when she said her opponent was part of the "War on Women."

Who wouldn't want to vote for a bunch of Bible thumping religious bigots who push crazy ideas like Creationism and force it to be taught in schools.

"If you are young and not liberal, then you have no heart; but if you are old and not conservative, then you have no brain,"

Quote: (10-31-2014 11:22 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Who wouldn't want to vote for a bunch of Bible thumping religious bigots who push crazy ideas like Creationism and force it to be taught in schools.

This is snarky and it sounds like something Bill Maher would say. What it does is it completely mischaracterizes the average conservative individual, who is neither a staunch Creationist nor a "bigot".

Agree with cunning. I'm just a fuckin guy who wants lower taxes. My argument always will be if some oil patch rig dumbass thinks Triassic rocks are recent then... Who cares? Rocks are rocks. Who gets all hot and bothered about their ages when we drill through them?

Quote: (10-31-2014 05:10 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

What it does is it completely mischaracterizes the average conservative individual, who is neither a staunch Creationist nor a "bigot".

Sure. Just try putting up an atheist or non Christian candidate in the Republican primaries and see how far he gets.

Let's not forget the whole family values agenda these right wing hypocrites try to espouse.

Religious nut jobs and those who try to use family values to push their morality on you are as dangerous, if not more so, than feminists.

The religious right has been disintegrating since Bush 2 left office, I don't see them as a threat. A lot of their remaining support base are simply going to die off in the next few decades. What is going to be a threat is the whole generation of voters that have been raised on a diet of Gawker, Huffingtonpost, and SJW dominated media. THAT is what we are going to have to fight now and in the future. What's the average under 30 year old who forms his political and cultural opinions based on reading Reddit and snarky Facebook memes, who is going make up a good portion of the voting public going to be more influenced by, some raving fundie Christian or Bill Maher and the poor man versions of him with their sophomoric wit?

Some guy who believes in creationism is no threat to me or the average man. The average SJW on the other hand is. The latter hates my identity as a heterosexual man that believes masculinity is something to be celebrated and is a boon to society.

Quote: (10-31-2014 07:21 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Quote: (10-31-2014 05:10 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

What it does is it completely mischaracterizes the average conservative individual, who is neither a staunch Creationist nor a "bigot".

Sure. Just try putting up an atheist or non Christian candidate in the Republican primaries and see how far he gets.

Let's not forget the whole family values agenda these right wing hypocrites try to espouse.

Religious nut jobs and those who try to use family values to push their morality on you are as dangerous, if not more so, than feminists.

God, I hate getting sucked into these political threads, but I suppose if you are reading it, it is for you...

That being said, your example of nominating a non-Christian is not only a poor example but false outright. The example was that the religion of a Republican nominee is largely irrelevant to the average Republican voter. Just because a significant segment of the Party could have issues with said non-Christian nominee, that does not mean that the average Republican would.

Further, Republicans ran Mitt Romney in '12. He is a Mormon. He isn't considered a Christian by many -- if not most -- Christians. Many conservative Christians are starting to not see the world as Christians v. everybody else, but as a fight between the forces of theism and the forces of atheism.

As far as your commentary on family values, you seem to be upset that family values are pushed by some right-wing types. You mean chastity, humility and telling girls not to whore themselves out? I agree that the looseness of American women is awesome from a personal perspective, but deleterious to the health and integrity of society in the long run.

As a final note, society will have values and morals and how those should be transmitted to children. Somebody is going to raise the children and provide them moral values, obviously the argument is over what those morals are and who are the appropriate transmitters.

And if you think that right-wing traditionalists are winning, please visit any college campus or the average classroom in America.

Quote: (10-31-2014 07:21 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Quote: (10-31-2014 05:10 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

What it does is it completely mischaracterizes the average conservative individual, who is neither a staunch Creationist nor a "bigot".

Sure. Just try putting up an atheist or non Christian candidate in the Republican primaries and see how far he gets.

Let's not forget the whole family values agenda these right wing hypocrites try to espouse.

Religious nut jobs and those who try to use family values to push their morality on you are as dangerous, if not more so, than feminists.

Yeah you're out of your mind. The religious right haven't been able to push their Christian morality on the rest of us since the prohibition era. The boogeyman of the right-wing extremist is getting old, just like most democrat voters.

Why would any Man vote?

James Webb for president!!!

http://www.jameswebb.com/

Quote: (11-01-2014 03:52 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Yeah you're out of your mind. The religious right haven't been able to push their Christian morality on the rest of us since the prohibition era. The boogeyman of the right-wing extremist is getting old, just like most democrat voters.

Sure, and who was responsible for impeaching Clinton for having an affair? Of course, they tried to make it out to be something else. He lied under oath, blah, blah.. If Clinton stuck his cigar in Monica Lewinsky and came all over her blue dress, who cares? Right wing moral hypocrites, that's who.

Funnily, most guys on this board would identify more with Clinton the player than Mitt Romney or George W, the family guys.

Every election the Republicans throw up a cast of neanderthal, anti science, creationist nut jobs. Who is pushing to have crazy theories like creationism taught in schools and wanting god in school prayers? No, it can't be right wing extremists.