Quote: (10-05-2015 03:47 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

To be honest, the Eastern-European civilization first destroyed itself. Here are some prominent examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Latins

There is no way that Turks would have ever conquered it without it being rotten on the inside first.

Either way, I don't resent them for moving in.

The Nika riots happened in 532 AD, that's nearly 900 years before the Ottomans took over. So I don't see how this helped the Ottomans. The Massacre of the Latins was in response of their invasion of the city. They came with the Crusaders who later revenged with the Sack of Constantinople in 1214.

Yes, there was a lot of fighting between Christians back then but it was the norm.

The reason why Constantinople fell was because unlike the Arabs, who thought the use of firearms dishonorable, the Ottomans became masters of artillery.

I didn't want to go into detail, but you can find a more detailed list of problems within the Byzantine Empire here. Pay attention to numerous civil wars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of...ine_Empire

Moscow scuppers US coalition plans for no-fly zone in Syria:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cee6fcba-69bf-...z3njS1Fnu8

Oh Yeah:

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Staggering scenes in Daraa, southern #Syria, as up to 700 'rebels and wanted men' surrender to government forces.

Also this would not surprise me in the least if true:

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EXCLUSIVE-Strategika 51: Six Russian fighter jets type Multirole Sukhoi SU – 30 SM have intercepted 4 Israeli McDonnell Douglas F-15’s fighter bombers attempting to infiltrate the Syrian coast.The Israeli F 15 warplanes have been flying over Syrian airspace for months and in particular the coast of Latakia, which is now the bridgehead of the Russian forces in Syria.

The Israeli jets would generally follow a fairly complex flight plan and approach Latakia from the sea

On the night of 1 October 02, 2015, six Sukhoi SU-30 Russian SM fighters took off from the Syrian Hmimim airbase in the direction of Cyprus, before changing course and intercepting the four Israeli F-15 fighters off the coast of Syria, that were flying in attack formation.

Surprised by a situation as unexpected and probably not prepared for a dogfight with one of the best Russian multipurpose fighters, Israeli pilots have quickly turned back South at high speed over the Lebanon.

The Lebanese army has officially announced at 2313 Z (local time) that four “enemy aircraft” (Israeli) had crossed the airspace of the Lebanon.

This ‘incident’ between the Russian and Israeli combat aircraft struck with amazement the command of the Israeli air force, which has estimated that a possible dogfight between F-15 Israelis and the Russian Su-30 would have led to the destruction of the four aircraft Israelis.

Israel has strongly protested to Moscow of the incident but the Russians demanded explanations about the presence of Israeli military aircraft in full Syrian airspace.

This incident indicates that the protection of Syrian airspace is now under the protection of the Russian air weapon. What causes gnashing of teeth in Washington.

The incident has been ignored by major news agencies but relays political and media of Israel in the United States, Europe and in the Arab world will redouble their efforts to demonize the Russian support for the Syrian Government.

Well of course they won't risk fighting Russia - bombing Syrian government forces is legit, but combating Russian fighter planes is another. Also Su-30 are by far superior to F-15s.

Quote: (10-05-2015 12:59 PM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  

but bullying smaller states is not alpha.

then why are you a cheerleader for America?

also let's not let this thread devolve into a "MY dad could beat up YOUR dad!" shitflinging contest

America has never took on a State its "own size" since WWII. It has lived of pummelling satellite and dependents all while passively avoiding big dog states. The USA is essentially leccched right now because, for all its might, and global monoply on tech and force it has for decades been afraid of taking on even a 2nd tierd (even in some cases 3rd tier) State.

The USA has always been fearful of Russia since aside from its Cuck Euro peons it has under control via NATO, no other nation has the capability of bringing a front to the American homeland other than Russia. The USA for decades has enjoyed this cl.Fort as no nation would dare, or even have the means to deliver a direct blowback. Russia with its first strike doctrane could put New York and Boston into a pile of flames and the USA knows this, which is why you see it act like a scared woman when Russia swings its dick. It has no answer because the only response would be met with a reply back from Moscow.

The world needs this. Fuck uni-power privileges that the USA has enjoyed. You need competition and balance on the global scene and Russia dilivers that.

The USA has basically squandard 15 years, countless service men's lives, and trillions upon trillions of cash on botched policy. They went head first in this funding goons and partnering up with shady S.A. and Turkey.. And look!

The goal was always Iran, and it looks as they won't get there unless they go all in and throw gas on Syria, which would then essentially paint them as blood thirsty mad men and global views, no matter how much propaganda is spewed out, could not counter.

If Syria turns this page this will be the Ameirca Suez moment where all the moaning and crying, just as the British did was met with a stern 'fuck you' and a wave to go back to the sandbox and play.

This isn't a Anti-USA post as it is a relief from my whole life only knowing a passive power who post the Gulf War never wanted to be open to what it was doing. It was always trying to play games. What a relief in Russia simply stating what its going to do and not giving two fucks. That is what a superpower does.

Russia has played this so well. In the public arena they are right and if the West moans Russia still has Ukraine and those sanctions to use as a chess piece. If the West continues to moan Russia will cut off the gas/heat agian to Europe.

Strategically it is 100% on point. *


* I've had some beers.

Quote: (10-05-2015 05:01 PM)Tex Pro Wrote:  

Moscow scuppers US coalition plans for no-fly zone in Syria:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cee6fcba-69bf-...z3njS1Fnu8

Would you kindly copy&paste this article? It's behind a paywall, at least in my case.

Quote: (10-05-2015 07:16 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  

Quote: (10-05-2015 05:01 PM)Tex Pro Wrote:  

Moscow scuppers US coalition plans for no-fly zone in Syria:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cee6fcba-69bf-...z3njS1Fnu8

Would you kindly copy&paste this article? It's behind a paywall, at least in my case.

Russia’s bombing of anti-regime rebels in Syria has been described as a disaster for the US-led coalition’s efforts to destroy Isis, the Islamist militant group, but the Kremlin’s real challenge to Washington is in the skies above the war-torn country.

Alongside a modest Latakia-based contingent of two dozen Su-24 Fencer and Su-25 Frogfoot jets — planes designed to strike land targets — Moscow has deployed assets which render the prospect of no-fly zones enforced by the US or its allies over Syria impossible to enact.

Just weeks ago, after months of diplomacy, officials were close to an agreement on enforcing aerial safe-zones to end the Assad regime’s bombing of civilians in northern and southern Syria, according to diplomats and military officials in the US-led coalition. The agreement was based on Jordanian and Turkish plans presented earlier this year.

Many officials believe an imminent move to ramp up coalition activity in Syria precipitated the Kremlin’s sudden intervention late last month.

“The ultimate reason all this is happening is because of the renewed focus on Syria and the need for some sort of political solution there — something which we thought we could achieve by enforcing no-fly zones, safe zones,” said one senior European diplomat.

But any hopes of military co-ordination with Russia to achieve this, even in the wake of its disruptive deployment, are swiftly being dashed.

Nato’s supreme military commander in Europe, US General Phillip Breedlove warned last week that the alliance was “worried about another A2/AD bubble being created in the eastern Mediterranean.” A2/AD stands for anti-access, area denial.

Gen Breedlove’s fears have been realised in the past days as Russia’s small deployment of four Su-30 “flanker” jets, which are at Latakia’s Bassel al-Assad air base — highly manoeuvreable aircraft designed to shoot down other aircraft — has been augmented with a far more powerful arsenal.

Russia’s ministry of defence announced on Friday the deployment of its navy cruiser the Moskva to Latakia. The Moskva is armed with a complement of 64 S-300 ship-to-air missiles, Russia’s most powerful anti-aircraft weapon.

Deployment of S-300s — or other similarly sophisticated systems, also known as triple-digit Sams — has long been one of the Pentagon’s biggest fears in the Middle East. The S-300 system, which has an operating range of 150km, is capable of striking down all but the most sophisticated stealth aircraft. It means most missions flown by Washington’s coalition allies — Jordan, for example, uses F-16 jets — are now highly vulnerable. Even the UK’s deployment of Tornados and Typhoons at the Royal Air Force’s base at Akrotiri, Cyprus, is threatened by the missiles.

“The Russian forces now in place make it very, very obvious that any kind of no-fly zone on the Libyan model imposed by the US and allies is now impossible, unless the coalition is actually willing to shoot down Russian aircraft,” says Justin Bronk, research analyst at the Royal United Services Institute.

“The Russians are not playing ball at deconfliction — they are just saying, ‘keep out of our way’. The coalition’s operations in Syria will be vastly more complex from a risk assessment point of view and from a mission-planning point of view.”

Even surveillance missions above Syria by US and coalition aircraft will be complicated. One Nato air force officer said the organisation expected to start seeing the kind of “cold war tactics” and brinkmanship Russia has recently been using in the Baltics. Pilots will be briefed to expect powerful Russian radar systems “lighting up” their aircraft in shows of strength, he said.

The Russian forces now in place make it very, very obvious that any kind of no-fly zone on the Libyan model imposed by the US and allies is now impossible, unless the coalition is actually willing to shoot down Russian aircraft.

Preventing the creation of US-led coalition no-fly zones in Syria is important for Moscow’s influence over events in the country. With the Assad regime’s territorial grip looking fragile in recent months, the added imposition of a US-led coalition no-fly zone could have forced negotiations that would have led to a loss of Russia’s influence. Now any diplomatic or political process that does occur will do so on Moscow’s terms.

“Russia’s military actions are serving political ends of which there are several,” says Alex Kokcharov, Russia analyst at IHS Janes, the defence consultancy.
For Mr Putin, US and Nato “no-fly zones” have additional resonance too.

“Putin was deeply shaken by the overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya,” Mr Kokcharov notes. “There is something at a personal level that is motivating this.”
For Russia military planners, no-fly zones — seen in the West as a measure of humanitarian mercy — are often seen as tools of regime change.

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ISIS ON THE RUN (to Merkel's bosom): Russian Airstrikes Totally Obliterate Terrorist Forces in Just 72 Hours

Russia has just achieved, in 72 hours, what the West failed to do in an entire year.

Numerous news outlets are now reporting that ISIS forces are in total disarray and even, in some cases, completely on the run following the start of Russian airstrikes last week.

Russian Lt. Gen. Andrei Kartapolov said that “intelligence has captured that militants are leaving the areas under their control“, and, most importantly, he added that “panic and desertion have begun in their ranks. About 600 mercenaries have left their positions and are trying to get to Europe“.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/10/05/is...-72-hours/

Putin and the Russian Armed Forces have been flawless in their recent operations in Syria, both in terms of destroying anti-Assad entities and reinforcing Russia's credibility on the world stage.

At the same time, they have revealed some really shady things going on in Syria. It will be very interesting what will happen in the near future.

The White Helmets NGO has been caught faking civilian casualties and blaming Russia:

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201509...eport.html

The White Helmets are sponsored by none other than George Soros - the same globalist who has recently demanded that Europeans facilitate the migrant invasion and that they should accept 1 million Muslim refugees a year.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commen...qUyuWAR.99

http://www.teaparty.org/soros-demands-eu...s-annually

Quote: (10-05-2015 07:32 PM)Tex Pro Wrote:  

For Russia military planners, no-fly zones — seen in the West as a measure of humanitarian mercy — are often seen as tools of regime change.

Oh please - this is such utter and complete bullshit. Gaddafi was blocked from using the most powerful weapon of a civilized nation - the air force. This "enforcing" of a no-fly zone serves only the pick-up truck beheaders.

Also it is usually combined with various NATO and Israeli forces flying over the country's territory and likely bombing the shit out of government forces on the sly. Who is going to tell about it - Gaddafi or Syria?

I posted this article of the Russians chasing away Israeli fighter jets. Russians entering the fray means they can finally use advanced military technology to combat the NATO proxies - ISIS.

And what do the world media puppets do? They lie through their teeth and claim that Russia fighting ISIS means that the Russians are causing a humanitarian crisis. They use WEstern new propaganda organizations like the White helmets to spread lies:

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/09/01/wh...-in-syria/

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After four and half years of relentless propaganda being flung around western mainstream media by propagandists, NGOs and Empire serving mouthpieces, one wonders how this stream of effluent still manages to stick to the consciences of the public it serves to deceive.

Yesterday, a Facebook post caught our attention. A Palestinian person based in Gaza posted two photos of child victims in Syria. The photos were accompanied by the caption, “The massacres of Assad regime in Syria #Douma”. The subsequent barrage of comments consisting of the usual plethora of outpouring against Syrian President Bashar al Assad and the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) provoked us to investigate further.

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“White Helmets is the newly minted name for ‘Syrian Civil Defence.’ Despite the name, Syria Civil Defence was not created by Syrians nor does it serve Syria. Rather it was created by the UK and USA in 2013. Civilians from rebel controlled territory were paid to go to Turkey to receive some training in rescue operations. The program was managed by James Le Mesurier, a former British soldier and private contractor whose company is based in Dubai.”

“The trainees are said to be ‘nonpartisan’ but only work in rebel-controlled areas of Idlib (now controlled by Nusra/Al Queda) and Aleppo. There are widely divergent claims regarding the number of people trained by the White Helmets and the number of people rescued. The numbers are probably highly exaggerated especially since rebel-controlled territories have few civilians. A doctor who recently served in a rebel-controlled area of Aleppo described it as a ghost town. The White Helmets work primarily with the rebel group Jabat al Nusra (Al Queda in Syria). Video of the recent alleged chlorine gas attacks starts with the White Helmet logo and continues with the logo of Nusra. In reality, White Helmets is a small rescue team for Nusra/Al Queda.”

The elite has perpetrated lies of Gaddafi suddenly going crazy and attacking his own people and the glorious beheaders bringing the fruits of love and compassion.

Fuck them all - Assad is 100% correct in his statement here:

Assad: ‘West uses terrorism as new instrument to subjugate Middle East’

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Western countries are using terrorism as an instrument of control, Syrian President Bashar Assad said in a recent interview. He also said that he is ready to step down if his departure is the solution to the four-year-long conflict.
“From the beginning it was clear to us that there were foreign hands behind terrorism in Syria,” Assad said in interview with Iran’s Habar TV.

President Assad thinks that the US-led coalition against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) is ineffective because the West does not want to defeat terrorist groups. In fact, it wants to preserve the balance between the warring sides to “perpetuate the process of erosion in Syria and Iraq and later other countries of the region, so that we all remain weak for decades and maybe generations.”

Absolutely correct - that is what fits the bill. It's not only a Game of money and influence. The global elite are murdering psychopaths who want everyone to be as THEY DESIRE THEM TO BE. The Western countries have proven to be pliable and the Asians are already partly good worker-drones without religion.

They have no desire for Muslims to become secular and moderate - they know that they would not bow to join a promiscuous family-less Brave New World. Thus all Muslim countries must either be destroyed or become like the West. By destroying all those stable countries and financing terrorists they attain multiple goals:

1. Effective control of the region - they can wipe out ISIS any day of the week
2. Access to oil, gas and pipelines - money
3. Destruction of the Muslim culture - it's still on - at the end even Saudi Arabia will have to go
4. Flooding of the West with hostile migrants both from the Muslim world as well as from Africa as the North African countries acted as a buffer - that buffer is now gone as they destabilize one after another

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“How can the United States and its allies fight terrorism or ISIS in Syria and Iraq while their closest allies in the government of Erdogan and Davutoglu are supporting terrorists and enabling them to cross the borders and bring weapons, money and volunteers through Turkey?” he asked.

Turkey - perfect globalist stooge.

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Since the US-led coalition was formed, terrorism expanded geographically and its recruits multiplied, the Syrian president said.

“God willing it [Syria, Iran and Hezbollah] will be able to defeat terrorism which is a new instrument for subjugating the region,” he stressed.

Well - I wouldn't pray for Hezbollah and he is taking too much credit - Syria and Iran would fall without aid of Russia. Now they have a chance.

   

It now looks like Russians are winning, and winning fast, their war against various terrorist groups (including ISIS).

I mean, in just 72 hours, thousands of extremists, anti-Assad and/or pro-Daech rebels, are on the run, in disarray.

(Which demonstrates that NATO was not really trying hard to get rid of ISIS)

So anyway, food for thought: the air space above (or near) Syria is currently cram-full with Russian military jets, French jets, American jets, Turkish jets, Israeli jets...

How long before an incident, some X-country jet shooting down (willingly or by "mistake") another Y-country jet? Situation is rife for a serious casus belli to occur...

NATO has the radar tech to avoid air confrontations, no such "accident" could take place. They all know where each other are.

What could happen is NATO bombs a school or hospital then tries to blame it on Russia.

It's fairly simple what has been happening.

The scheme (backed by the West, Israel, Turkey and the Gulf states) to remove Asad and install a flunky regime (another Jordan, perhaps) is now becoming much more difficult, if not impossible.

Russia has entered the fray with both feet. They are coordinating intel and possibly operations with Iran, Iraq, and Syria.

The Western and Israeli backed insurgent groups are now coming under air attack.

Turkey is furious that its little double game has been exposed. For years they have been infiltrating fighters, money, materiel, and the like into Syria.

And now the game is up. Russia is sending a message: "hands off Syria."

The same message that Russia sent to the West and Israel in 1973.

The best that the West can hope for now is a negotiated settlement.

They have tried everything short of an outright invasion of Syria to try to install a client state in Damascus: fake allegations of chemical weapons, proxy rebel armies, embargoes, etc.

The usual panoply of Zionist--imperialist lies.

And it all failed.

Quote: (10-06-2015 11:31 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

It's fairly simple what has been happening.

The scheme (backed by the West, Israel, Turkey and the Gulf states) to remove Asad and install a flunky regime (another Jordan, perhaps) is now becoming much more difficult, if not impossible.

Russia has entered the fray with both feet. They are coordinating intel and possibly operations with Iran, Iraq, and Syria.

The Western and Israeli backed insurgent groups are now coming under air attack.

Turkey is furious that its little double game has been exposed. For years they have been infiltrating fighters, money, materiel, and the like into Syria.

And now the game is up. Russia is sending a message: "hands off Syria."

The same message that Russia sent to the West and Israel in 1973.

The best that the West can hope for now is a negotiated settlement.

They have tried everything short of an outright invasion of Syria to try to install a client state in Damascus: fake allegations of chemical weapons, proxy rebel armies, embargoes, etc.

The usual panoply of Zionist--imperialist lies.

And it all failed.

My worry is that the lunatics who run the West won't be willing to take a loss on this one and will try some hail-mary last ditch effort to take down Assad.

Let's hope I am wrong.

Quote: (10-06-2015 03:28 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (10-05-2015 07:32 PM)Tex Pro Wrote:  

For Russia military planners, no-fly zones — seen in the West as a measure of humanitarian mercy — are often seen as tools of regime change.

Oh please - this is such utter and complete bullshit. Gaddafi was blocked from using the most powerful weapon of a civilized nation - the air force. This "enforcing" of a no-fly zone serves only the pick-up truck beheaders.

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Iran would fall without aid of Russia. Now they have a chance.

The "Humanitarian" propaganda trick is just plain dumb to use on Russia. Its like calling Charles Manson a rapist. Russia was already the cold, ruthless nation of iron fisted ass kicking without regard for casualties before it showed up in Syria. Adding staged or real "civilian casualties" to their military efforts just means its "Russian being Russia"...Even since world war II Russia has never been the military force pictured with soldiers giving out chocolate to children. Its repuation has nothing to lose by being pictured as barbarians.

...actually it probably has something to gain, being shown as indiscriminate killers on a mission will probably make more rebels piss their pants and flee without having to fire a shot.

Quote: (10-06-2015 11:48 AM)Tex Pro Wrote:  

Quote: (10-06-2015 11:31 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

It's fairly simple what has been happening.

The scheme (backed by the West, Israel, Turkey and the Gulf states) to remove Asad and install a flunky regime (another Jordan, perhaps) is now becoming much more difficult, if not impossible.

Russia has entered the fray with both feet. They are coordinating intel and possibly operations with Iran, Iraq, and Syria.

The Western and Israeli backed insurgent groups are now coming under air attack.

Turkey is furious that its little double game has been exposed. For years they have been infiltrating fighters, money, materiel, and the like into Syria.

And now the game is up. Russia is sending a message: "hands off Syria."

The same message that Russia sent to the West and Israel in 1973.

The best that the West can hope for now is a negotiated settlement.

They have tried everything short of an outright invasion of Syria to try to install a client state in Damascus: fake allegations of chemical weapons, proxy rebel armies, embargoes, etc.

The usual panoply of Zionist--imperialist lies.

And it all failed.

My worry is that the lunatics who run the West won't be willing to take a loss on this one and will try some hail-mary last ditch effort to take down Assad. Let's hope I am wrong.

When I read the word lunatic I immediately thought of Hillary Clinton.

Quote: (10-05-2015 12:59 PM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  

İ dont understand the putin love here, he is so alpha yet the ruble devalued by more than 50% thanks to US sanctions, , his people are 2x poorer compared to last year. He can talk all he wants, when you fuck with america you will like end up on the losing side we are the undisputed super power of the world. İ like his anti feminist and anti sjv agenda but bullying smaller states is not alpha.

Yes Russia is in such financial shatters right now that they are launching an overseas air and naval campaign. Hard times...

Quote: (10-06-2015 11:50 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

Quote: (10-06-2015 11:48 AM)Tex Pro Wrote:  

Quote: (10-06-2015 11:31 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

It's fairly simple what has been happening.


The usual panoply of Zionist--imperialist lies.[/b]

And it all failed.

My worry is that the lunatics who run the West won't be willing to take a loss on this one and will try some hail-mary last ditch effort to take down Assad. Let's hope I am wrong.

When I read the word lunatic I immediately thought of Hillary Clinton.

and of course Libya finds itself in violent eternal conflict and civil war - various parties killing each other - with no end in sight.






And that's even the honest admission of the mainstream media who considered Gaddafi a "brutal" dictator.

The same or worse would await Syria if the Russians hadn't stepped in.

Orion - That is not an indicator of financial stability or growth. The Russian economy is struggling, there is no doubt of that.

There's a side, and positive, effect, to this Russian intervention:

At the same time he wins the Syrian war (by energetic and well-targeted bombing), Putin is getting rid of the worse Chechen (and Dagestani) activists, who had previously gone into Syria to fight against al-Assad.

So, big bonus for Vladimir (and the Russian State): he puts Russia back at a glorious center-place of world politics, saves his ally al-Assad's rule, protects the Russian naval base on the Mediterranean, and kills hundreds of the most dangerous and active Chechen islamists... Putin saves Syria, and in the process kills hundreds of Chechen warriors-terrorists, who at some point would have hit on Russian soil. Brilliant!