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Hey travesty you may want to check out Rua forum it is a western man eastern European woman discussion forum and has been around a while. The url is ruadventures.com it is full of traditional men but lots of betas also.

But you get an interesting point of view of western men and FSU wives. Long term does not appear as bad as some think. There is also a lot of lively discussion from the FSU women also.

I have been married over twenty years to an American woman and and its not been easy. I also come from a large group of people where there were many foreign wives and American men and none of them ended in divorce. Even while all the American marriages were dropping like flies. As additional anecdotes my neighborhood where I live is loaded with mixed American/foreign marriages and for the most part they are the ones that stay together. I am talking over ten years plus. State department statistics bear this out also.

Marriage is always going to be risky and in the USA with our legal system it is the riskiest. But with gaming your wife and a decent woman there is hope. And accepting the fact that you yourself are sticking with her for twenty years plus.

Are you sure you want to do this? Lol

Man - imagine - if the US passed legislation that would deport any foreign woman who got a green card if she divorced a man for any reason on than abuse/alcohol issues.

G

(before you go into the whole "she gonna falsely accuse you bro", just humor me for a sec)

Quote: (09-28-2015 07:53 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

Are you sure you want to do this? Lol

As I said earlier in the thread it may have been called Mother Hunting but then people would get confused like MILF hunting.

I don't care to get married because of legal consequences, if it means having a child with a much higher quality woman I am willing to do that though.

I know the marriage or relationship most likely won't last forever, that is just a statistical fact. I just want a good mother that won't turn into a psycho if things break up and knows that a kid needs their dad around.

Of course I'd like things to last. Will I be surprised if it doesn't? No, I know that it's possible, I am not a little kid hiding under the bed.

I've said before if you want a good wife, mother, and for risk tolerance even better if you break up is a girl you become close friends with and have lots of activities and passions in common. I think beyond forming a more solid bond if you do decide to split because the attraction dies I think you have a much better shot at splitting amicably for your financial sake and the kids' sake vs. a relationship based on sexual attraction, affection, cooking, or other things that just look good on paper that make your dick and ego happy.

I strongly anyone who even thinks they may someday get married (or not) to really look into "asset protection strategies" : trusts, LLC's, LP's, FP's etc. It's an incredibly broad subject (I've considered a datasheet) that has to be narrowed down with laser focus to suit each individual in order to be effective.

In litigious western society it is absolutely essential regardless of whether someone gets married or not. It's not only a way to prevent divorce rape but all other manner of financial rape

You don't have to be wealthy or own a lot of property to benefit from these strategies. Even a regular guy earning a regular paycheck can get raped and have future earnings garnished

In short the idea is to be essentially "judgement proof" by having little or no assets in one's name. But the key is the plan has to be implemented in advance and again I strongly suggest looking into it.

I'd start with "trusts"...one of the least understood vehicles for asset protection yet one of the most effective.

Trusts have existed since Roman times and have become one of the most important innovations in property law. Trust law has evolved through court rulings differently in different states, so generalizations, understanding the jurisdiction-specific case law involved is tricky. Some U.S. States are adapting the Uniform Trust Code to codify and harmonize their trust laws, but state-specific variations still remain

Quote: (09-29-2015 12:53 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

I strongly anyone who even thinks they may someday get married (or not) to really look into "asset protection strategies" : trusts, LLC's, LP's, FP's etc. It's an incredibly broad subject (I've considered a datasheet) that has to be narrowed down with laser focus to suit each individual in order to be effective.

If you would put one out there it would be greatly appreciated.

Quote: (09-29-2015 12:06 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Quote: (09-28-2015 07:53 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

Are you sure you want to do this? Lol

I know the marriage or relationship most likely won't last forever, that is just a statistical fact. I just want a good mother that won't turn into a psycho if things break up and knows that a kid needs their dad around.

I can go into this in more detail but yes it is possible. Yes odds are against you but there is a huge amount you can do within that. Believe it or not, there are certain demographics and behaviors that if you fit into them (specifically, attending religious service weekly with a virgin bride and not using birth control) that drop your odds of divorce below 2%.

Odds are numerically against you in the US, but look abroad as well and the numbers get better. The single biggest thing is that you should NEVER get involved seriously with a woman who accepts divorce. If she spouts the standard hamster line of "well, I don't like divorce but it's better to divorce than have screwed up kids!" then run for the fucking hills.

I also am considering wife hunting abroad. I got out of a dull relationship several months ago with an American woman. She was smart(worked as an engineer), thoughtful(she rubbed my feet every day after work and would randomly buy me gifts), and we hardly ever fought. Only had minor disagreements. As it turned out, she was just too much of a tomboy. I laid it out to her when I noticed her start to slip. I told her I like very feminine women who like to wear makeup and take care of themselves. The longer we were together the more she let herself go. She really had a good heart so as agonizing as it was for me to relay to her that I wasn't attracted to her anymore, I had to ditch her.

I found this forum during my time with her and it was like I stumbled across divine scripture. It really rang a bell. After soaking up as much information as I could I joined DIA just to see what all the fuss was about. It blew me away the amount of responses I received from these cute, feminine women from SEA. It just got me thinking how much I wanted to be single again and enjoy what youth I have left(I'm 32) to explore the world and it's inhabitants before I settle down.

There are so many things to consider when choosing a life partner. One of the most important things to me is that she is educated and she speaks English fluently. I've known a few men who married woman who could barely speak a lick of English. I don't know how they cope with not being able to really communicate verbally. That would be hell to me. Another is her family background. Are her parents still together? Are there any tendencies of violent behavior or substance abuse?

I'm not ready to wife anyone just yet, but I know where you're coming from travesty. There are too many gems out in other places to get stuck with a fat, obnoxious, rude, entitled Western woman.

Am I the only one who wants to marry a scandinavian ? I want my offspring to inherit those viking genes. Unfortunately its quite hard to find a girl in scandinavia who isnt brainwashed by the SJW culture. Im 1/2 Circassian 1/2 Turkish, If my kid is 1/2 scandinavian 1/4 Turkish 1/4 Circassian I think it will be the ultimate combo.

Isnt thr divorce rate quite high there? It could work if the broad is level headed and dfamily oriented though

Ok so I just got Tinder Plus and spoofed Medellin. This is my first time experimenting with pipelining internationally.

First thing I noticed... girls that look busty with a close up to their face flip to second and third photo, they aren't SIF's just busty.

Second thing I notice is maybe 1/20 girls makes dumb faces and many times I read it is an American or European going through Colombia.

Third thing. No guys in any of photos ever. None. On dating shit and social media in America girls love to post picture of them with their 5 guy friends with their shirts off and you know she has banged two and sucked a third off at some point.

Fourth thing, I hope solo now has been redeemed from his 7 day ban and will join me in Colombia so I am sure to get enough approaches in on 18 year olds.

Maybe Colombians are just better at hiding it, I like that they at least try and hide it though.

Does t seem like Colombian girls are good wife material from what I've read on the forum. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah I booked a long trip to Colombia way before this thread I am going there a month from now.

I compared Medellin to Cordoba on Tinder Plus.

I have no idea how so many guys think Argentinians are the hottest girls in Latin America. They are a watered down version of both Latinas and Europeans with their mixed look and lack of curves. Horse face is common. Like Manu Ginobilli had a daughter!

On the plus side I have lots of matches with young 18-23yo 7+'s on Tinder from Medellin. Neither in Santa Barbara which is a small population nor in Orange County (3M population) in SoCal have I had near this many quality matches with so few swipes. Haven't had enough sample size, but it was better than even my response when I visited NYC a year ago. Those girls in NYC were very responsive on Tinder though haven't started conversation with these Colombian chicks yet flaking I am sure will be at Freddy Kreuger levels.

A funny thing about my experience with Colombian girls is that I'm quite confident at least 50% of the girls I banged there already had boyfriends or some sort of man in already in their lives. And these are girls met in the malls, street, supermarkets, etc. When they gave me their numbers I would add them in Whatsapp shortly thereafter. Later, I'd check their Whatsapp profile photo and it would be a photo with her and guy. looking like more than just friends. I'd send her an initial message, and shortly thereafter her photo would magically change to something with just her or her and a girl.

I thought it was funny in a peculiar sort of way. It seems some of these girls thought they were being sneaky/clever with trying to hide their relationships. To be honest, it didn't much matter to me if they were lying or not...I just wanted to get the bang in the end.

Of course there were also some pretty genuinely sweet seemingly loyal girls too. Overall, my biggest problem with colombianas is that the vast majority (with a few exceptions) that I met (not necessarily also banged) can not afford to pay for jack shit, which can tend to get old after a while. Cheap dates are the way to go in that country until they give up the goodies.

So last post about Tinder Passport, first time doing this I have looked through Google Images before of different countries and on some language chat sites, but never Tinder roaming:

Quality:

Medellin - best by far

Bogota - not as nearly as good, still a fair amount of attractive girls though not as many wows

Cordoba - yeah thin, stylish girls, their faces are always horsey, it is like an upgraded version of Brazil's more intense butterface. Instead of a land of Brazil with tons of low 6's this is the land of many mid to high 6's.

Monterrey - tons of fatties, also some really cute girls to balance it, I think Mexican girls' faces when they are hot, are second only to Colombianas

Santo Domingo - some nice bodies and hot faces same fatties as Brazil. I would put faces third best behind Colombia and Mexico when they are hot.

Belo Horizonte - Some fatties, just the butterface is so common and overarching, lots of dyed hair and face piercings. There are just so many girls that are low 6's their faces are just always off a bit in one way or another its almost strange like a Twilight episode. It is hilarious because often times they have a good first photo with just the right shade and angle, then of course the angle just changes a bit and the imperfections jump out.

Hot Faces Per Capita:
Colombia (clear champion)
Mexico
DR and Brazil tie
Argentina (not kidding it has a ton of mid to high 6s with horse face that are thin and well dressed, but rarely ever a true standout)

Thinness Average:
Argentina and Colombia tie (both light years ahead of the others)
DR and Brazil tie
Mexico

Very interesting to see with my own eyes in such a short time what has been said anecdotally on the forum in different ways.

If you are wife hunting and looking on Tinder of all places, you are not going to find anything sustainable. A lay maybe, but her having Tinder in the first place should be a red flag.

Real wife material from countries which have traditional values, are acquired via social circles. Those girls are protected by her family or other supervising relatives so that she doesn't spill the egg before she finds an appropriate man to give it to. I am not saying it is not possible to end up with wife material from Tinder, it's just highly unlikely.

Also not saying that these "protected" girls are not accessible besides access via a social circle, just that it requires 1) a lot of luck to meet them in the right conditions and 2) good game (and "white lies" in case you actually just want the lay) to convince her you are not after her just for the lay.

Quote: (10-03-2015 03:53 AM)DeeDee Wrote:  

If you are wife hunting and looking on Tinder of all places, you are not going to find anything sustainable. A lay maybe, but her having Tinder in the first place should be a red flag.

Real wife material from countries which have traditional values, are acquired via social circles. Those girls are protected by her family or other supervising relatives so that she doesn't spill the egg before she finds an appropriate man to give it to. I am not saying it is not possible to end up with wife material from Tinder, it's just highly unlikely.

Also not saying that these "protected" girls are not accessible besides access via a social circle, just that it requires 1) a lot of luck to meet them in the right conditions and 2) good game (and "white lies" in case you actually just want the lay) to convince her you are not after her just for the lay.

So true.

I also recommend to do an university course while you are there just to meet girls that are less eager to engage with strangers or get approached in the streets by strangers.

That's why it's critical to have a solid intermediate level of Spanish. Wife material Colombianas will want to have a "connection," that entails meeting her family and friends who probably speak zero English.

I lived in Bogotá for a while, I've seen so many guys talking to girls just nodding sí, sí claro to everything she is telling them. They're not understanding a word.

good on

And to add to what Carolinian said: if you want an untouched native girl and don't want to import, you will have to become native or get very close to it. This is not limited to learning the language, but also getting to know the culture, history, future of said country and its routine. Why? Because you need to be able to "click".

It is also often the case that in the end, most of these girls are still under supervision of their parents with often the father being of authority. If you can't convince him of being a proper fit for his daughter and she doesn't want to disrespect him (which is often the case), it is highly unlikely you will be able to marry her. Most of these fatherly figures just want assurance you can take care of her, but it will be a lot easier to give that when you can explain it to him in his native tongue.

For those coming in from the outside, getting it with a traditionally valued non-Western-influenced native from any non-Western country will be a hassle. But the ROI will be much greater than when giving in and attempting to settle with a Western girl.

Unless the conditions are excellent and you have an advantage (like family connections or already a local native network due to business or w/e) this is not something to be taken lightly both in terms of time (months) and effort.

^ I luckily have a Catholic background and would be fine with joining a church choir or social group to have an in for places like Mexico, Brazil, Vietnam.

I am planning on taking intensive language class in the morning, maybe some salsa classes in the afternoon.

I will try and see if I can fit in a legit university class, I am only there for a month split between two cities. Not sure if that's plausible.

So for this Colombia trip since it was planned before this thread I am not going to place much effort into Tinder, but damn if an 8 is eager to meet all bets are off.

Maybe I am out of the loop my Tinder in US I rarely get good matches that don't flake in an area of 150k.

In Colombia I have over 30 girls all 18-23 7+ I have been only on for two days and casually swiping (no auto swiper).

Is this normal? I am not used to this much choice online. Now if these girls answered positively I would know what it feels like to be BlurredSevens

When are you going and for how long?

I'm a few years younger than you but I'm hoping to take 6 months off in the beginning of 2017 to try and scout out some places.

For the month of November 4 weeks.

I've been thinking about this thread a lot as I have a Southern European woman who I am pretty serious with. I've done a lot of traveling in my life (lived in abroad 3 times, have been to 38 countries and in many cases for several weeks in each country). For the last year and a half my travels have been focused on women. My observation are...

-Unless you live in a poor country and spend a long time learning the language etc, it is going to be really hard to sort out the girls who are after your money/ citizenship from the ones who aren't.

-This goes against the logic of most on the forum, but it makes a lot more sense to marry a non-slutty 25-34 year old than a 20-25 year old. 20-25 year olds are still experimenting. They really just want to have fun. If you "lock one down" she is going to still want fun. In fact I've observed a lot of girls who marry young, regret missing out on the prime fun years later on. Also most guys are less likely to get infatuated and loose their frame with a slightly older woman.

-Continental Northern European women can be feminist but it is a much more reasonable brand of feminism than the U.S. In the U.S. most women want the best of both worlds where they get to not work, be the boss of their family and the guy is supposed to work his ass off to "provide" a "perfect" life. In Europe a lot more women want REAL equality. They work hard and although they can be bossy and bitchy are not nearly as spoiled as American women. Many are actually insulted by the prospect of a guy providing for them.

-Southern European women are feminine and usually very sweet once you get to know them. They are tough nuts to crack because Southern Euro guys have been doing anything and everything to get in their pants since they were 13. Once you are in though, Southern Euro women are passionate and loving. My experience is that they are a nice compromise between women from poorer countries and Northerm Europeans. They are light years better than Anglo women.

-Another nice thing about Western European women is that they are not looking for a way out. Going abroad might be a fun adventure for them, but it is not going to turn them completely upside down like it often does with women from poor countries. You can also test their adaptability by having them visit first. This is almost impossible to do with women from poor countries due to Visa restrictions.

Quote: (10-12-2015 12:05 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

-Unless you live in a poor country and spend a long time learning the language etc, it is going to be really hard to sort out the girls who are after your money/ citizenship from the ones who aren't.

The one mantra that's often repeated here is don't go somewhere just for the women. I don't live in asia because of the women. I live in asia because I enjoy the lifestyle and culturally there's a close connection here for me. If you want to marry a girl in some foreign country then i'd advise to at least like the culture they come from as well. Poor or rich country it's the same thing. If you hate the culture you're going to be in for a world of misery down the road.

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-This goes against the logic of most on the forum, but it makes a lot more sense to marry a non-slutty 25-34 year old than a 20-25 year old. 20-25 year olds are still experimenting. They really just want to have fun. If you "lock one down" she is going to still want fun. In fact I've observed a lot of girls who marry young, regret missing out on the prime fun years later on. Also most guys are less likely to get infatuated and loose their frame with a slightly older woman.

This is very flawed thinking. You can find a non slutty 20-25 year old just like a 25-34 year old.

If a 25-34 is "serious" now and "done experimenting" out of her slutty phase guess what? You're essentially settling with someone who has already ridden the carousel. I sure as fuck wouldn't want any of that for any kind of relationship. I've boned and dated enough women in that age range to know it's a trap with many of them. They will throw on the princess peach act until you are financially or personally committed in a way where it's detrimental for you to change your mind.

The 25-34 range actually has lesser risk in the developing world than in the developed world. Good luck with that set in the developed world though that's some high stakes gambling you're doing there.